Hope does this work? A friend insists that my Decimators 360 degree turret is my primary firing arc and if he comes up behind it he gets the bonuses from Concord Dawn Protector / Fearlessness. My understanding is that the Decimators primary arc is the 90 degrees in the front and he only gets the bonus if we're playing "chicken". My turret just allowed me to attack inside and outside of my primary arc. By his reasoning wouldn't I be able use torpedoes in my " primary 360 degree " arc as well. What's the ruling here?

TURRET PRIMARY WEAPON:

Some ships use a turret as their primary weapon. Each of these ships has a unique primary weapon icon, and each ship token shows a circular red arrow around the token’s center as a reminder. When attacking with a turret primary weapon, a ship may target an enemy ship inside or outside its firing arc.

You answered yourself, you are attacking outside your firing arc so the bonus don't apply.

There is no such thing as a 360° arc.

As mentioned your ship only has ONE primary firing arc.

The Decimator has no other arcs although some ships do have additional firing Arcs. The Firespray has one in the rear and ships like the YV-666 have additional arcs beside the primary arc. There is also a Mobile Firing Arc which can be set one of four different ways including one in which it overlaps the primary firing arc.

There are a number of weapons that allow attacks at targets OUTSIDE of your firing arc. Why would that language be used if a ship's firing arc already goes all the way around? It would NOT because all of that additional attack space is not considered in a firing arc.

Turret Primary Weapon is on page 19 of the Rules Reference. It explicitly states the firing arc is not 360.

OK I realize that the Decimator does NOT have a "360 degree arc". I was just trying to determine if Concord Dawn Protector / Fearlessness got it's bonuses when it was directly behind the Decimator where I could attack it with my turret primary weapon but he was out of my primary firing. I realize now it doesn't. Even though I gave him the bonuses last night I still won the match with the Decimator. I just have to convince him now.

Fearlessness and Concord Dawn protector only trigger when two printed firing arcs are facing each other at Range 1. Shooting a turret ship outside of its printed firing arc doesn't count. The fact that a turret can shoot targets outside of firing arc has no relevance to Fearlessness or Concord Dawn.

@Starscream229, point your friend to page 19, specifically the first bullet point.

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• A ship with a turret primary weapon still has a printed firing arc that is not 360º.

Incidentally, this is the only mention of "360°" in the whole rulebook, and it specifies that it's not the firing arc.

13 hours ago, jmswood said:

Fearlessness and Concord Dawn protector only trigger when two printed firing arcs are facing each other at Range 1. Shooting a turret ship outside of its printed firing arc doesn't count. The fact that a turret can shoot targets outside of firing arc has no relevance to Fearlessness or Concord Dawn.

Concord Dawn Protector ( PROTECTORATE STARFIGHTER ONLY. TITLE. )

When defending, if you are inside the attacker's firing arc and at Range 1, and the attacker is inside your firing arc, add 1 Evade result.

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Not necessary that both firing arc are faced, it is sufficient that both ships are within their respective arcs. It´'s possible they are in oblique positions and their respective arcs are not visible, but the conditions are satisfied.

1 minute ago, jamoreno said:

Concord Dawn Protector ( PROTECTORATE STARFIGHTER ONLY. TITLE. )

When defending, if you are inside the attacker's firing arc and at Range 1, and the attacker is inside your firing arc, add 1 Evade result.

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Not necessary that both firing arc are faced, it is sufficient that both ships are within their respective arcs. It´'s possible they are in oblique positions and their respective arcs are not visible, but the conditions are satisfied.

I generally agree, but facing is still relevant even in odd angle scanarios. In order for these cards to work, the firing arcs must be facing each other to some degree, even if that degree is minute.

No.

Imagine if you have two ships next to each other, parallel, and about halfway along each other's bases, one facing left, the other right. Their arcs are facing directly away from each other, but as long as the back corner of each ship is in the other's arc, Fearlessness and CDP still proc.

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

No.

Imagine if you have two ships next to each other, parallel, and about halfway along each other's bases, one facing left, the other right. Their arcs are facing directly away from each other, but as long as the back corner of each ship is in the other's arc, Fearlessness and CDP still proc.

Wow. There's an edge case if I ever saw one. I stand corrected.

Not really. Happens to me quite a lot when I miss an arc dodge with Fenn.

3 hours ago, jmswood said:

Wow. There's an edge case if I ever saw one. I stand corrected.

You want an "edge" case consider a large ship being beside a TIE/sf such that it is in both the small ship's primary and secondary firing arcs.

7 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Not really. Happens to me quite a lot when I miss an arc dodge with Fenn.

It's an edge case, because it literally depends on the edges of the ship's base. Do you even pun bro?

4 hours ago, StevenO said:

You want an "edge" case consider a large ship being beside a TIE/sf such that it is in both the small ship's primary and secondary firing arcs.

I got this the other day, and making it even more of an edge case, because it was Backdraft I got to add a crit to the front AND rear shots

5 minutes ago, Goseki1 said:

I got this the other day, and making it even more of an edge case, because it was Backdraft I got to add a crit to the front AND rear shots

YEAH! Eat **** bumpmaster!

I mean, technically that's a corner case....

1 hour ago, Goseki1 said:

I got this the other day, and making it even more of an edge case, because it was Backdraft I got to add a crit to the front AND rear shots

I bet that felt good.

That Backdraft shot is nice!

Also, back to the op about torpedoes and missiles, those can only be fired out of the forward printed arc (unless your Nera in a b.wing)

Fenn's extra stuff would work in the rear arc of a Firespray, but not the Decimator.

Also, see how autothrusters don't work at range one behind a firespray or the aux arcs of a YV.666

1 hour ago, JediRush24 said:

Also, back to the op about torpedoes and missiles, those can only be fired out of the forward printed arc (unless your Nera in a b.wing)

Or a Ghost.