Just now, Darth Meanie said:

Me. And a lot of other people.

Yes. Maybe. But epic should (as a niche, and not normal tournement format) never be a benchmark for FFG. And I doubt they thought so.

"Oh we gimped the empire into the ground, but at least the faction has now the best epic minelayer"

1 hour ago, ficklegreendice said:

Aggressor aint bad, esp if its dial is sweet

It's just kinda boring

Exactly. I did not miss a turret for the Empire and the ship just seems fine... in a boring way. Will be getting this for the upgrade cards, wich is always a crappy feeling when buying a ship.

Admiteedly i am very lightly interested in ketsal's ability to oneshot a fang with a missile (using deadeye with hux shuttle for another focus or just PTL)

But shes so squish

Oh well, aggressors are only the 2nd most boring ship in the wave. Cant imagine ever wanting to own that wooden wookie junk

Again very true, that one is an easy pass.

1 hour ago, ScummyRebel said:

They have the best epic toys right now.

Also, Soontir Fel says hello. He was how good for how long again?

Soontir who?

On 17/06/2017 at 10:59 AM, Greedyfly said:

I think it's about time FFG woke up to its self and stopped releasing an obvious bias to the scum faction and finally fix up some of its complete stuff ups or finally bring rebels and the empire onto the same footing. It's clear someone is smoking something illegal on the design team and has a hard on for scum.

Shout me down as much as you want I play all factions and if you don't think scum releases lately have been OP your in denial/ a scum only play or a WAAC player.

The only faction to get generics with EPT , undercosted ships, undercosted EPT and undercosted crew and all effective. Enough with the bad tasting jokes hey.

For a long time time I have championed FFG over GW but for the last year it's been getting a bit long in the tooth. I can't now with any honesty even defend FFG over GW any more for they have shown FFG up by at least trying to listen to there customer base. This has clearly not something happening at FFG with all the tournament results and the repeated calls for nurfs and fixes for the same ships endlessly on there very own forum.

Please FFG wake the F___ up

THE.

SKY.

IS.

FALLING!1!21

7 hours ago, Flavorabledeez said:

Since the first wave there's always been something "wrong" with this game: competitive play

4 hours ago, MalusCalibur said:

No, the thing wrong with this, and any game for that matter, is elitist attitudes like yours suggesting that one group is 'having fun wrong'.

In short, get off your high horse.

1 hour ago, xstormtrooperx said:

But epic should (as a niche, and not normal tournement format) never be a benchmark for FFG. And I doubt they thought so.

Hmm.

Behold! Fickle is back!

Now I really want some HD pictures of ARCs in combat!

4 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

Behold! Fickle is back!

Now I really want some HD pictures of ARCs in combat!

SCURGGS man, they get ta ya

Pics July 1st. Taking em to get stomped at a store champ

On 6/17/2017 at 6:56 AM, LordBlades said:

Also, the Scurrg isn't really making the existing Scum lists better. It's opening up other options, which is a good thing for everyone IMO.

If you're so mad about Jumpmasters and Attani, think of it like this : every guy who brings a Scurrg bomber list is a guy not bringing Attani Jumpmasters.

This is exactly the point. What FFG is doing is giving you OPTIONS. Between the Havoc, C-ROC, and Guns for Hire Scum is going to get a plethora of new options to dilute the Attani adiction. Plus Deathrain with Bomblets....super fin to fly.

Variety in ways you might not expect either. A Major takeaway from the community over on reddit - cries of "Emon will rise again!".

Just now, UnitOmega said:

Variety in ways you might not expect either. A Major takeaway from the community over on reddit - cries of "Emon will rise again!".

A very solid Cad carrier witj bomblett "genius" nym

Stuff him with clusters

3 hours ago, 4fox100 said:

This is exactly the point. What FFG is doing is giving you OPTIONS. Between the Havoc, C-ROC, and Guns for Hire Scum is going to get a plethora of new options to dilute the Attani adiction. Plus Deathrain with Bomblets....super fin to fly.

While most of the stuff in there is an alternative to Jumpmasters, only the Scurrg is an alternative to Attani IMO. Almost everything we've seen in the Guns for Hire and the C-ROC works better with a free Focus.

Only problem with g4h as attani subs is that they seem to basically amount to *** fangs

Both title atani thruster xizor and title attani eu thruster stealth device black market slicers (what a list!) victor are 31

Ol terry thrusters atani title is 30

Not sure how 1 shield weighs in v Concord dawn title

Pilot abilities pending ofc. Could also be some obscene synergy

I love xizor too much so id def use him over a fang even if it seems dumb.

16 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Only problem with g4h as attani subs is that they seem to basically amount to *** fangs

Both title atani thruster xizor and title attani eu thruster stealth device black market slicers (what a list!) victor are 31

Ol terry thrusters atani title is 30

Not sure how 1 shield weighs in v Concord dawn title

Pilot abilities pending ofc. Could also be some obscene synergy

I love xizor too much so id def use him over a fang even if it seems dumb.

When I was thinking of Attani platforms I was mainly thinking at Guri and Inaldra, although Talonbane might be decent too.

I'm starting to wonder if Minefield Mapper is an X-wing fix. By being able to force low HP ships into predictable areas of the map to avoid auto-damage from bombs or getting ionized and losing their actions they will have end up jousting more.

Not X-wings specifically, but yes, anything which lets you shape the board to your desires (rigged cargo, seismic torpedoes, minefield mapper) logically favours the jouster over the arc dodger.

At the same time, fielding enough mines to really mess up someone's options to move up the board is going to be hard for Rebels (who have limited ability to take advantage of it) compared to Scum and Imperials with generic Scurrgs and Punishers respectively.

49 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I'm starting to wonder if Minefield Mapper is an X-wing fix. By being able to force low HP ships into predictable areas of the map to avoid auto-damage from bombs or getting ionized and losing their actions they will have end up jousting more.

Aux arcs and tlts before xwings methinks

Theyre same/higher hp and far more flexible ito positioning

On 2017-06-17 at 8:41 AM, MalusCalibur said:

The OP might have gone a little overboard with the language and tone, but you have to admit he kind of has a point - the Scurrg expansion is where it seems all the effort and time went for this wave, with the other two ships being an afterthought at best, and given the state of the current meta it makes zero sense to give S+V even more of the good stuff, and to give even more reasons to fly Miranda and Sabine crew as Rebels, narrowing down list viability. Add to that the absolute joke that is the TIE/AG (on so many levels) and it certainly does look like there is bias that nothing significant has been done about (indeed, it's only got worse) since Wave 8.

Out of the 3 ships previewed so far there is 1 absolute clear winner: the Scurrg. I just dont understand how FFG can't see the problems that xpac is going to bring to the game or worsen the existing ones. Can you imagine a ship with a TLT droping a bomb every turn before moving?? What are the negatives for all the positives this ship gets? There is no drawback at all. The dial is good, the point cost is good, the pilot ability is good, the abailable upgrades are amazing.

Did scums really need another ship thats clearly superior to any equivalent from the other 2 factions? Did scums really need a way to add (and boost) bombs on every god darn ship with a crew slot??? Whats causing prolems to the Imperial faction at the moment: Bombs. Why make them unlimited? Why give that option to Sabine??

The scums have been dominating the meta for how many years now?? Can we have a break?

The SCURRG is actually a bad straight brawler and will get mulched by TLT aggressors (also SF; cant bomb you if youre not in a position for them to point *** at you)

Def got the most design effort put into it in the wave, but thst only makes it intersting and not a jumpmaster

The SCURRG negatives are

1) pricey bugger, esp for its decent but unimpressive dial + statline

The point cost is actually nowhere near as good as powerhouses like the jm5k

Just isnt horrible like the B

2) cant stack damage mitigation for **** (see miranda)

unless you do scum nym's conditional ability + the super janky GONK

1 agi does not combo well with extra mindlink focus, cant evade; cant Regen

Honestly, the K dominates the SCURGG outside thspecific cases of named pilot combos (genius nym, suls bombs) amd minefield mapper

I guess the SCURGG makes a better jouster, but you really have far better options for that role

On 6/18/2017 at 1:08 PM, MalusCalibur said:

No, the thing wrong with this, and any game for that matter, is elitist attitudes like yours suggesting that one group is 'having fun wrong'.

In short, get off your high horse.

You're right. Clearly the amount of complaints regarding "game balance" and elements being "OP" are coming from both the casual and competitive crowds. Just like other games.

That's my bad. Please forgive me?

No?

Well, at least let me give you a ride home, this horse has room for two. Still no? You'll wait for your mom? Okay, suit yourself. I'll call you later.

17 minutes ago, Flavorabledeez said:

You're right. Clearly the amount of complaints regarding "game balance" and elements being "OP" are coming from both the casual and competitive crowds. Just like other games.

That's my bad. Please forgive me?

No?

Well, at least let me give you a ride home, this horse has room for two. Still no? You'll wait for your mom? Okay, suit yourself. I'll call you later.

While complaints about balance tend to come from competitive players, the judgement of people "enjoying the game wrong" by and large comes from the casual side.

Neither side can claim the moral high ground, but only one side usually tries to.

He who throws mud loses ground.

On 6/18/2017 at 10:08 AM, Lobokai said:

Guns for Hire makes me think two things...

Really?! we're fixing those two ships in that faction instead of T-65 X-Wings and TIE Fighters/Interceptors (IMO, a little bit more Iconic than Talonbane and Xizor)?

Yes, yes we are. The x-wing at least sees use with biggs. When's the last time you saw a Kihraxz in a winning list? Or a starviper? TIE Fighters are still decent. Interceptors are out right now, but how long did were they the entire empire for? Starvipers and kihraxz have NEVER been good. Also, rebels and imperials both have 2 aces packs. Scum have 0, and the only playable small base ship we had was the protectorate.

16 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

Only problem with g4h as attani subs is that they seem to basically amount to *** fangs

Doesn't have to be one or the other. I've flown several games with Fenn/Talonbane/Guri with guns for hire upgrades.

16 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

I love xizor too much so id def use him over a fang even if it seems dumb.

haven't flown xizor with mindlink, but had a lot of fun flying him with mk2 alongside 3 vaksai marauders

Flew xizor guri with manny all linked

having 6 more points was great l but mostly I just fell back in love woth Xizor tanking an opposing terry and manny

Well, mostly tanking. My manny helped

Also that broll is a blast!

Competitively speaking , i do think fangs will mean Vipers wont see much play since theyre so similar (same agi, action bar, same thrusters, similar statline, almost identical upgrade bar until Virago, and similar point cost etc) unless we get some other bonkers ept (or pilot ability). Personally, though, been a fan of xizor since wave 6 so i'll always put him down first.

SCURGG might not be as a good mindlink, but it fills an utterly different role thanks to being a bomber

13 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Flew xizor guri with manny all linked

Modswere nice, but mostly just fell nack in love woth Xizor tanking amd opposing terry and manny

Well, mostly tanking. My manny helped

Also that broll is a blast!

Competitively speaking , i do think fangs will mean they wont see much play since theyre so similar (same agi, action bar, same thrusters , similar statline, almost identical upgrade bar untul Virago , and similar point cost etc) unless we get some other bonkers ept. Personally, though, heen a fan of xizor since wave 6 so i'll always put him down first.

SCURGG might not be as a good mindlink , but it fills an utterly different role thanks to being a bomber

Yah I can't see ever using a starviper without the title. The System slot is just too important (unless one or both of the new named pilots have abilities good enough to go wihtout it)