3 hours ago, Yandia said:

I would think that 8/1 is too much. I would think that 6/3 or 3/6 are the most extreme values we will see.

Since I think Tsukune will be the Phoenix Champion her stats will probably be 4/4. I can see Dragon as balanced as well perhaps 5/5 because Kami etc. I can see the Scorpions and the Crab are mirrored with 5/4 and 4/5.

Unicorn is a tricky one. I would assume since they like symmetry as shown by Hotaru an Toturi that the Unicorn Champion will also has symmetric stats so probably 4/4

I think maybe you have a point if we consider that Military is not the same as Force, as we used to know in l5r.

Is very obvious that the crab champion pretend to be stronger than lion for example, but the Military skill of Toturi can be far more than Kisada.

Even so i can't imagine Kisada being 5/4, perhaps he will come a 5/2/2 with a ability like "when defending he has +3M"

Do not forget that they could vary based on glory in addition to Military and Politics.

Kisada could be a 7/2 Glory 2.

I expect the Scorpion champ to have a Glory of 0 or 1 but have solid base stats.

3 hours ago, L5RBr said:

I think maybe you have a point if we consider that Military is not the same as Force, as we used to know in l5r.

Is very obvious that the crab champion pretend to be stronger than lion for example, but the Military skill of Toturi can be far more than Kisada.

Even so i can't imagine Kisada being 5/4, perhaps he will come a 5/2/2 with a ability like "when defending he has +3M"

Lol such obvious baiting. Here kitty kitty!

9/-, 0 glory Kisada!

Kisada will be at least 3 glory if not 5. This is because of his well known abilities and tales regarding the protection of the wall

I like 0 glory on him because he gives no **** about what others think about him or his clan, so he won't get emo if someone tells a nasty rumor about him (negative Glory when dishonored) and similarly won't work harder when praised and motivated by other's opinion (positive Glory when honored).

Defensively, no glory means no vulnerability to "I dishonor you to take away half of your strengt from you".

2 minutes ago, WHW said:

I like 0 glory on him because he gives no **** about what others think about him or his clan, so he won't get emo if someone tells a nasty rumor about him (negative Glory when dishonored) and similarly won't work harder when praised and motivated by other's opinion (positive Glory when honored).

Defensively, no glory means no vulnerability to "I dishonor you to take away half of your strengt from you".

I like this. Crab pragmatism in action.

I doubt they would give him 0 glory, but I could see 7/1 with 2 glory. This would give him a stronger start with a minimum 5 force compared to Toturi's minimum 3, but the same maximum. Toturi has an easier time getting honored of course.

I agree that most of crab should be about high base stats low glory. I also feel the abilities tie in more to favored win conditions or styles. It's a bit of a crazy one but what if kisada has a taunt ability that forces a character into a conflict unless the opponent dishonors them. The two factions we have seen are the big honor guys and rings are the best way to get honor. Scorpion should be winning through dishonor and assassination and as I see the clans seem to have a duality between them with unicorn being the only exception the revers of scorpion is crab so I could see something like "whenever you successfully attack in a political challenge dishonor an opposing character" for scorpion crab could have "when ever you successfully defend a military challenge dishonor an opposing character"

On ‎17‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 3:13 PM, blackheartz said:

lso I totally expect from Scorpion and Crab to have lower Glory values on average than the rest. These clans care more about doing what needs to be done without the need to receive any praise or "glory" for that matter.

Agreed. Also reflects the fact that a Crab or a Scorpion would really care much less about being Dishonoured than a Lion or a Crane would.

What if the Scorpion champion is a conflict card? Or would that be too much?

After reading the dragon fiction I think their champion should be

5 cost

4/4

Monk shugenja duelist

Action: look at top x cards of your conflict deck where x equals number of your claimed rings. Draw one.

5 hours ago, BayushiFugu said:

After reading the dragon fiction I think their champion should be

5 cost

4/4

Monk shugenja duelist

Action: look at top x cards of your conflict deck where x equals number of your claimed rings. Draw one.

Duellist without being bushi? I don't think so.

On 6/17/2017 at 7:16 AM, Joe From Cincinnati said:

I think Kisada will have the highest military strength in the game. Whether that's an 8/1, a 7/2 or, for some reason, a 6/3, I firmly believe they will make him all military all the time. I don't think there's any chance Kisada will be a 5/4 or 4/5. He's terrible as a diplomat haha.

Kisada's disdain for diplomacy is offset by the fact that he's HIDA KISADA. Shoju and Kachiko had dirt on everybody, and they still handled Kisada with kid gloves. This is the guy who had the loyalty of his clan to such an extent that they marched side-by-side with their hated enemies against their Emperor. Kisada repeatedly flouted tradition and politics and walked away (minus that one unfortunate whoopsie with the Hantei Sword).

If anyone's going to bring an army to a day of courtly debate, it's Hida Kisada. Not that he won't be weaker in politics than in military matters, but calling Kisada a terrible diplomat isn't accurate. The man did what he liked, even in court, and the courtiers picked up the pieces afterward.

On 6/19/2017 at 7:39 AM, DarkBlack said:

What if the Scorpion champion is a conflict card? Or would that be too much?

I think they're going to do that with Yoritomo.

Everyone up in here being like, "Kisada's a bad politician, so he gonna have really low Pol value, right??"
Meanwhile, everyone just handing 4-5 Pol to the guy who can only speak in vague riddles and prophecies?
lololol, c'mon now...

6 minutes ago, Bayushi Tsubaki said:

Everyone up in here being like, "Kisada's a bad politician, so he gonna have really low Pol value, right??"
Meanwhile, everyone just handing 4-5 Pol to the guy who can only speak in vague riddles and prophecies?
lololol, c'mon now...

Agreed. It's important to remember that in some sense as well a large military is a political force. I think it was the winter court podcast where someone mentioned that when playing lion vs crane they thought it was odd that lion ended up swarming crane in political fights while taking the military ones with ease. Thematically, an army sitting on your door step vastly limits any political leverage you think you may have. The Crab have a large army and an obligation from the other clans to do business with them. I expect the Crab champion and the Crab in general to have more balanced stats than lion or crane, higher costs, and lower glory.

2 hours ago, Ser Nakata said:

Duellist without being bushi? I don't think so.

Eh, in the original game, there were some Monk duelists. It didn't just refer to Iaijustu dueling techniques.

2 hours ago, Ser Nakata said:

Duellist without being bushi? I don't think so.

We're the Dragon.

We would be far more surprised to see a Dragon Bushi without Duelist, than to see Dragon Courtier Duelists, Shugenja Duelists and Monk Duelists.

8 hours ago, BayushiFugu said:

After reading the dragon fiction I think their champion should be

5 cost

4/4

Monk shugenja duelist

Action: look at top x cards of your conflict deck where x equals number of your claimed rings. Draw one.

Champion. Bushi. Monk. Tattooed. would be my guess.

He is wearing armour, so Bushi makes sense.

Monk and Tattooed because he had to be part of the ise zumi, before becoming champion.

And Champion because Champion.

The original Yokuni card was Samurai Shugenja. I always liked it because there was no other samurai shugenja. That may not happen again... It would be bushi monk at least though - but bushi shugenja isn't off the table if they want to repeat that.

In the old game Samurai, Courtiers, and Shugenja were all technically Samurai in the storyline. The LCG is just reflecting this by dileneating Bushi. If Yokuni is a Bushi/Shugenja in this game that would be directly equivalent to Samurai/Shugenja in the ccg. Bushi monk seems like it would be counter intuitive. You're either a Bushi or a monk. If you are a monk you may have been a Bushi in the past.

Speculation for Yokuni's ability:

Action: During a conflict where this character is participating, search the top 5 cards of your conflict deck for an event, reveal it, and add it to your hand. Shuffle. You may immediately play the chosen card, if able, and paying all costs.

13 hours ago, Radon Antila said:

Speculation for Yokuni's ability:

Action: During a conflict where this character is participating, search the top 5 cards of your conflict deck for an event, reveal it, and add it to your hand. Shuffle. You may immediately play the chosen card, if able, and paying all costs.

Action: Draw 4 cards. Shuffle your hand into your library. Shuffle your opponents dynasty deck. Shuffle your feet. Read the flavor text of this card aloud. Find a copy of Togashi's Guidance (AEG Celestial Card # 429) and put it into play. Draw back up to your original hand.

These Yokuni propositions make me think that a really fun Scorpion option would be "check opponents top 4 of conflict deck. You can put them back in any order and discard one of them, your opponent may pay 1 honor to stop the discard"