Vaksai Title: Discussion Why a Minimum of 0 it should be 1

By eagletsi111, in X-Wing

13 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

I think he may have a valid point in that it opens up the door for future abuse.

Every new interaction in the game is potentially abusable. Every new card/pilot/ship when combined with some old card card/pilot/ship bears the potential to be the latest thing that roflstomps its way through the meta. That's the nature of this game. Truth being that for a system like this, stasis means death in short order. So as long as the game lives, there looms a new boogey man just around each corner, waiting to spring forth and paddle unprepared bottoms. So it goes, friend.

I don't think the Vaksai title is one of those boogey men. I think it brings a ship from oblivion to a place on the table every now and then. The C-Roc and now Guns for Hire are fantastic, in my opinion, for fishing three forgotten ships out of army cases and getting them onto the table. Top Tables at worlds? We'll see. Kitchen tables, gaming tables at local shops worldwide? Absolutely, for some time at least.

Radical.

With this direction, it's only a matter of time until the Imperials and Rebels each catch some similar treatment. Others must simply wait their turns...

...because Scum is best.

58 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:

Yep, and that's why forum posters are not allowed to design upgrades unless they can prove they're the best players in the world.

or at least have a commanding understanding of the English language. I doubt the devs are the best X-wing players in the world.

27 minutes ago, Elavion said:

At it's most basic form, it's inferior to the T-65 (T-65, for crying out loud!) in every way. It has a weaker dial, 2 less hp (with a worse hp/shields distribution), worse upgrade slots and where the T-65 has some pilots that are absolutely bananas, the Kihraxz has mediocre ones at best.

Well, that's debatable.

Dial: The Kihraxz has more greens, gains the 1-hard turn and an extra k-turn (the big speed 5). It loses the 1-straight and 3-hard turns. At worst, equal. Arguably better.

2 less HP? Not sure where you're getting that info from; they both have 5 HP, although X-Wing has 2 of those in shields, the Kihraxz 4 in hull. The x-Wing can potentially soak critical hits on shields, the Kihraxz can survive more damage that bypasses shields.

Worse upgrade slots? Missles vs Torps; much of a muchness as both ships rarely take either. Illicit vs Astromech? Astromech might have the edge combined with Integrated, but that ties down the Mod slot. Once you factor in the Vaksai title, there's certainly not a huge amount in it.

The one area where the T-65 certainly excels over the Kihraxz is the pilots. Biggs is a meta-warper, and Luke, Wedge, Wes, Hobbie and Tarn all offer a lot of potential if the frame they're flying gets improved. The Kihraxz hasn't got that kind of star power (yet), but it is cheaper.

Hopefully this is an example of a future t-65 buff

5 hours ago, eagletsi111 said:

I love the new title, but the Minimum of 0 is totally op, imo. It should be minimum of 1. I'm hoping they fix it before release.

So the new Vaksai title:

The squad point of each of your upgrades is reduced by one (to a minimum of 0).

You may equip up to 3 different modifications.

So Now I can get mindlink for 0 points, are you crazy FFG. Why did you not just keep it (minimum of 1) Now every 1 pt upgrade that comes up which can be used by the Kihrax from now one will be undercosted for it and over costed for everything else. I mean I have trusted FFG in the past, but this is just crazy. The black son pilot gets to take update 8 one pt epts for free, not including the 0 point ones. Plus it can take missiles, with guidance and munitions fail safe for free.

I mean yes the ship needed help, but my goodness this is way over the top.

Yes, I fly Talonbane now and have placed in top 4 and even won small tournaments with him, without this title. (I have even challenged Ryan farmers list on vassal) I think FFG may have gone a bit too far with this one.

It should be one thing or the other (reducing the cost of all upgrades or giving it 3 modifications). Giving both looks overkill.

4 hours ago, Viktus106 said:


Now if this title was renamed "T65C" and was for X wings. . . .

It would make Biggs an absolut monster (Stealth device+Shield Upgrade+IA or EngineUpgrade+Autothrusters+IA etc). And the T65 lorewise is NOT a ship known fitting the phrase "not one ship being similar to another".

You guys know the title only works on the Kihraxz, right?

Just like the TIE Advanced title, it does not make the cheap upgrades "free". Their cost is already factored in to a generally overpriced ship. Even if you could get a use out of one of these with 3 guidance chips and trick shot, you wouldn't, because you waste four points that you have to spend. Just like we don't se TIE advanced with Collition Detector.

3 hours ago, Yearfire said:

You guys know the title only works on the Kihraxz, right?

Just like the TIE Advanced title, it does not make the cheap upgrades "free". Their cost is already factored in to a generally overpriced ship. Even if you could get a use out of one of these with 3 guidance chips and trick shot, you wouldn't, because you waste four points that you have to spend. Just like we don't se TIE advanced with Collition Detector.

You would see Collision Detector on TIE/x1s if their title granted 2 additional system upgrade slots.

AC/AdS/CD would make for a decent loadout and runs through debris fields with no problem.

kfighter is probably the worst ship in the game that isnt permanently shelved like the Punisher currently is.

It has the action economy of a budget idiot, but its insanely expensive
Its not nimble nor durable
Upgrade options are highly limited due to both what are on the bar and being mandated to take certain cards just to even remotely function
Its greens suck balls still

Defenders were only marginally underpowered, kfighter is an abysmal mess. Then again i never considered prenerf x7 title op in the slightest as i rarely had issues killing defenders, yet it got nerfed.

Edited by Vineheart01

Please, just STOP! If all you do is complain and whine, aren't you missing the point of having fun playing this game?

Are they ruling VASSAL, now? I don't think this can be judged without play at all due to the weird nature of ocercosted ships where you can never say how bad they are exactly.