My simple errata solution for Mindlink:

Add - If you are in contact with another ship you cannot be assigned a focus token.

Make blocking a ML list matter. Also, make the list harder to fly since you have to worry about blocking yourself as well.

I actually have no idea how to fix this. I had an idea but it won't work. A range limitation is really the only thing I can see. Only ships at range 1-2 get the token. Not sure if that fixes anything or not. They just built this card to be great or ****. There really isn't a middle ground.

13 hours ago, The Inquisitor said:

This. It was a moderately bad card when it came out. You could use it but the stress downside was crippling. It was one of those weird cards like Deadeye that was rubbish for quite some time and suddenly became the new cheese.

Can't stand to fly against mindlink?

GIT GOUDA!!

2 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Citation needed. Most players acknowledge that neither is or was fine.

Sorry to say this but i really wish there was an option to ignore someone on this forum... Here is your citations:

"Figure of speech : a word or phrase used in a non-literal sense for rhetorical or vivid effect. "

and for ppl defending mindlink, just a couple of line from you (and in sooo many post on this forum...):

2 hours ago, Shraken said:

People fear what they don't understand.

And don't understand that there are a number of tools to deal with Mindlink.
Here, I'll start it for you.

Anything that alpha strikes - You need 3 ships to get the action economy for mindlink to make it worthwhile. Drop them to 2 ships and its struggle. 1.. what EPT?
Blocking does work in conjunction with the above and stressing.
Yes stress works, while not as effective when it's 3 ships because one of them will get away and do a green, it's still just a focus.
Your double stressbot 1 ship and you stressed all the ships and one is double stressed. From there you know who is doing greens and who isn't.
Oh jumpmasters? You know they are doing a a 1-2 left, why are you not blocking them?
You are also still removing their ability to boost/roll/TL/Shift Arc.
Hotshot, Carnor, Palob, Teroch, Wes all deal with focus tokens specifically.

The thing is you people don't seem to want to look at the health of the faction as a whole. Mindlink, Jumps, Fenn, Shadowcaster are proping up that faction.
What else is there? seriously? Brobots? should scum be limited to 2 turn tango Bossk and Firesprays?

What do you consider a healthy space for that faction to be at? while turning a blind eye to the Rebels of course who have the most utility and synergy in the game by far with a number of relatively overpowered combos and regen ships.
Imperials are balanced in the grand scheme of things with next to no "bullsh1t" combos.
Oh, Omega leader.

2 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

This is simple ignorance @Shraken . None of us have a clear idea of what knowledge, ability or experience people have on the forums beyond a handful; so blanket quotes that are basic insults like that are more than useless in attempts at dialogue and debate.

Now you may just be trolling, IDK, but you need a retort, that's clear. We the idiots of the forum who think the health of the game hinges on the JK5 Expansion actually getting a nerf need a voice I guess.

That aside, yes, there are counters to MindLink itself; everyone gets that. It's the amazing versatility and cheapness of it and of many ships it attaches itself to that cause real issues for those designed counters. Not only can I fly my favorite Mindlink list with that amazing focus sharing ability at a single point a ship, but I can also have two great alpha strikers (better than any other ship in the game) AND a super red dice throwing (and a fantastic end game, IMO) ship !!!AND!!! they can arguably out-fly and out-joust almost any list ever conceived; even at the hands of an blooming idiot like me. I'm not going to assume that anyone has to take my opinion as anything important really, but I have personal experience flying AND flying against JK5 Expansion lists (with or without Jumps, but with MindLink) and can also point to a plethora of third-party data to back my personal findings up; it's everywhere if you care to look for it. The JK5 Expansion isn't "proping up that (Scum) faction" as you claim, it's making it simply bad for the game as a whole; it's unbalanced; it's under-costed. Period.

My point is that the reactions to mindlink are disproportionate to the abilities effect on the game.

Clearly I don't know peoples skill and experience, and sure I probably could have worded the start a little better but it doesn't detract from the point of the post which you have just completely skipped over to focus on your hatred of the JM5K chassis.
You don't address anything about the counters, you don't address anything about scums options for competitive ships, you go on with things like "we the idiots" like I actually said that.

PS3 Jumpmasters are not the premium alpha strikers in the game. It's not the easiest of things to get an alpha strike off with the Jumpmasters as you are moving first and needing target locks which is often just out of range or if its in range they can easily close that gap to R1. I'm also going to disagree that they are the best jousters in the game as well.

I've not said that the JM5K is a balanced ship. It isn't, we all know it.
So what is it? JM5K is the problem or mindlink? I'm talking about mindlink and your reply goes off on the jumpmaster. You even go as far as taking 2 of the 3 ships out of my statement that it is one of the ships proping up scum at the moment.
Simply to focus on the JM5K. You won't get an argument from me about that, I play them and I will be the first one to say it is 2 pts undercosted and shouldn't have an EPT.

So take away mindlink and the JM5K from scum, can you HONESTLY say that scum would be in a balanced place?
Oh and remove Fenn too.

3 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

Not only can I fly my favorite Mindlink list with that amazing focus sharing ability at a single point a ship, but I can also have two great alpha strikers (better than any other ship in the game) AND a super red dice throwing (and a fantastic end game, IMO) ship !!!AND!!! they can arguably out-fly and out-joust almost any list ever conceived; even at the hands of an blooming idiot like me.

So maybe mindlink is not the problem?

10 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

So maybe mindlink is not the problem?

My opinion has always been, "it's the Expansion." FFG flubbed this one; they need to revisit it in its entirety pretty much.

29 minutes ago, Shraken said:

So take away mindlink and the JM5K from scum, can you HONESTLY say that scum would be in a balanced place?

Now that we have a dialogue, I'll bite. The JK5 is way too versatile a ship and its cost is too low, as you've stated, and the low PS shouldn't be an Elite Pilot. My friends and I would still fly her if the Torpedos were on the title, they raised the cost (2) and feel like it was balanced. I fly them and I know like everyone, something has to be done, honestly. And Mindlink either needs to be nerfed akin to the X7 where you don't get squat if your flying poorly, stressed or blocked or be costed for that grand ability, cost bump of (3) perhaps? Both of those parts of JK5 Expansion need to be redesigned. In my line of work, rushing a project out the door is easy to see and looks a lot like this. They clearly rushed it; but it's never too late to make corrective measures to bring them into the fold; it's good for the overall health of the game....especially with my future ability to fly Starvipers at a good squad cost ? Yay Guri!! (Speaking of how to use MindLink OP, haha)

14 minutes ago, Shraken said:

So take away mindlink and the JM5K from scum, can you HONESTLY say that scum would be in a balanced place?

With Guns for hire? Pretty much, yes, because you get about as many good lists as with the other factions

1 minute ago, clanofwolves said:

My opinion has always been, "it's the Expansion." FFG flubbed this one; they need to revisit it in its entirety pretty much.

It's a combination of ships with dials that are too good for stress removal, and too cheap to make outstanding combinations.

Don't get me wrong, a good dial is fine. But a good Fennrau should be around 35pts, like Soontir. Now he is basically made for 1pt EPTs, so with AT+Title+1pt he should IMO be at 33, not 32. Even though I don't even want to put emphasis on Fenn, because he is pretty much where he should be and simply has wingmen that are too good.
The combination of ship+dial+options is also the reason why both the Khiraxz and the Starviper are great with the titles - their cost gets corrected, but the potential for disaster is smaller because the will most likely still clock in at over 30pt AND have a good but not excellent dial. Then Scum will run into the same problem as Rebels now: what to fly in the 22-26pt range? There's TLTPalob for 26 (or 27 with mindlink).

The Shadowcaster is a worse case, and so is of course the Jumpmaster. Maybe large ships are a problem in general? They seem to be rather dominating, Worlds certainly suggests that - almost exactly two thirds of the squads had one or more large ship.

Could we pleas stop the insanity of complaining about upgrades that were not at the final table of worlds?

I guess not.

Okay I got the solution to all your problems.

Just make Jumpmasters and Mindling the "only official" ships and upgrades. You can't play anything else. According to some that is all we play.

Name me any ship in scum that would take PTL over mindlink.

What if mindlink was 2 points... how many would switch over?

If mindlink was 3 points, same as PTL, would anyone still fly mindlink?

There problem there is that there isn't much you can do to it without making it a total dud card.
Make it more expensive is one thing, more than 2 points it wouldn't be worth it because of the counters and need for 3 ships.
If you make it so that it's a free action that might work but I don't know.
3 stressed ships means they all have to do a green for the EPT to work, if you double stress someone chances are they are dead in the water from that point and the rest of the list is having to do greens to do anything.
Think of an HWK trying to clear stress.
Maybe make it large ship only?

Just now, Shraken said:

There problem there is that there isn't much you can do to it without making it a total dud card.
Make it more expensive is one thing, more than 2 points it wouldn't be worth it because of the counters and need for 3 ships.
If you make it so that it's a free action that might work but I don't know.
3 stressed ships means they all have to do a green for the EPT to work, if you double stress someone chances are they are dead in the water from that point and the rest of the list is having to do greens to do anything.
Think of an HWK trying to clear stress.
Maybe make it large ship only?

The problem is that the ships it's abusable on are the ones that shed stress easy.

Yes, with guns for hire later in the year they would be in a good place, but right now. I don't believe they would be.

PTL is good on Protectorates, Shadowcaster, IG and JM5K right now. That's about it I would say.

1 minute ago, Shraken said:

Yes, with guns for hire later in the year they would be in a good place, but right now. I don't believe they would be.

PTL is good on Protectorates, Shadowcaster, IG and JM5K right now. That's about it I would say.

I said "Over mindlink". You basically just read off the main mindlink users.

4 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

I said "Over mindlink". You basically just read off the main mindlink users.

Missed that bit.
If it's a 2 ship list PTL is superior, if you are doing 3+ then ML is the better choice for all of those ships.

1 minute ago, Shraken said:

Missed that bit.
If it's a 2 ship list PTL is superior, if you are doing 3+ then ML is the better choice for all of those ships.

Brobots?

it's absolutely awful. Some people hate Atanni. Some people hate Attani. Almost no one is ever upset with Attanni, which is the real problem.

20 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

Name me any ship in scum that would take PTL over mindlink.

What if mindlink was 2 points... how many would switch over?

If mindlink was 3 points, same as PTL, would anyone still fly mindlink?

Anything used in a two ship list. Specifically ketsu and assaj, I've also used it with Dengar in the past but without and evade action Expertise is better.

Still would say PTL is better for brobots over ML, esp with adv sensors.
I guess you can trade out and take Manglers, ML, FCS and Inaldra to get close to that action economy but I'm not sure that's worth it. You also lose AT on both ships if you want a workable ML.

Otherwise one gets to evade and focus per turn and the other just gets a focus.

4 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

it's absolutely awful. Some people hate Atanni. Some people hate Attani. Almost no one is ever upset with Attanni, which is the real problem.

Truth.
Rouge.

Since stress is supposed to be its weakness, but really hasn't turned out to be, I'd change it so only ships that are not stressed can receive focus tokens via mindlink.

2 minutes ago, Joe Censored said:

Since stress is supposed to be its weakness, but really hasn't turned out to be, I'd change it so only ships that are not stressed can receive focus tokens via mindlink.

There are different opinions on that. If you take them down to 2 ships and stress them, it's much harder to get the efficiency you need to make it work. Double stress also does hurt the lists.
That is my personal experience anyway with stress lists.

If I were changing it, I'd let PTL have it's niche back, and do something different.

Kind of a super wingman effect.

4 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Can stand to fly against mindlink?

GIT GOUDA!!

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