1 minute ago, Kakita Shiro said:

Dishonored, unarmed men.

But he did it with tactics!

15 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

I'm fascinated by the calls of toturi being weak mechanically. And wonder if the clans were reversed if people would still call his the weak card.

He's not weak. He's boring. And he retroactively makes Hotaru boring as well. Just a very disappointing preview.

I am also not feeling the Lion Province, especially when compared to what the Crane got.

The rest of the cards are top notch!

1 minute ago, Kakita Shiro said:

Dishonored, unarmed men.

I guess it's safe to say that Toturi can swim xd

Just now, Kubernes said:

For the conflict card, I was thinking as a whole like other clans or just the idea of a keyword versus generic personalities.

For Reanimator, the deck will probably need a cheap, reliable way to putting personalities into the discard pile. Either a personality or conflict card that can dig. Yes, people can discard personalities at the end of the turn but that's awfully slow, you're limited by what you draw, and you have to wait for the end of the turn.

For Greater Glory is 3 Influence so I doubt we see it as a splash. I suppose it's possible.

With regards to Reanimator, if you simply don't put extra Fate on guys when you buy them they will leave end of turn regardless. Between Fate phase and Province discard there should be more than enough to trigger the Spiritcaller. Ikoma Eiji also just pulls guys out of Provinces as well.

Just now, Yogo Gohei said:

He's not weak. He's boring. And, he retroactively makes Hotaru boring as well. Just a very disappointing preview.

I am also not feeling the Lion Province, especially when compared to what the Crane got.

The rest of the cards are top notch!

I disagree. I don't think it's boring. I don't understand why anyone would call it boring either.

One thing is certain though. It will be close to impossible to stop a Lion military attack without some really good tricks.

1 minute ago, JRosen9 said:

If I remember that story correctly, didn't Shoju see the error of his ways and purposely break his sword in the throne. If I am remembering correctly, that means Toturi's great dueling is taking down unarmed men

Toturi literally stabbed Shoju, who was disarmed at that point of the story, in the back. Shoju destroyed Ambition prior to his death after seeing Toturi break the throne and knowing the truth of his dream.

Just now, RandomJC said:

I disagree. I don't think it's boring. I don't understand why anyone would call it boring either.

I mean he isn't boring on his own. He is boring because there is a card that exists already with the same ability word for word.

1 hour ago, Kakita Katai said:

I get the feeling that Crane and Lion being the Political and Military leaders are going to find winning and losing a conflict a round pretty common. It will be the other clans that will be more balanced.

This makes me even more question Dueling. With this Lion are better duelers that Crane. Which is complete backwards. Toturi vs. Hoturi isn't even a contest in dueling.

How do the Lion initiate a duel though?

1 minute ago, BordOne said:

I mean he isn't boring on his own. He is boring because there is a card that exists already with the same ability word for word.

Well, no there isn't a card that exists with the same ability word for word.

There is a card with a very similar ability that keys of political conflicts, while this card keys of military conflicts. They are similar, not the same. And I bet if there wasn't an ability of similar standing for mil conflict to the pol we have seen there would be complaints as well.

1 minute ago, RandomJC said:

Well, no there isn't a card that exists with the same ability word for word.

There is a card with a very similar ability that keys of political conflicts, while this card keys of military conflicts. They are similar, not the same. And I bet if there wasn't an ability of similar standing for mil conflict to the pol we have seen there would be complaints as well.

Actually, the two cards do have the same ability word for word. The only difference is a symbol, not a word

5 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

Well, no there isn't a card that exists with the same ability word for word.

There is a card with a very similar ability that keys of political conflicts, while this card keys of military conflicts. They are similar, not the same. And I bet if there wasn't an ability of similar standing for mil conflict to the pol we have seen there would be complaints as well.

It is the same ability WORD for word.

Maybe we would maybe we wouldn't. But I doubt it.

2 minutes ago, Danwarr said:

For Greater Glory is 3 Influence so I doubt we see it as a splash. I suppose it's possible.

With regards to Reanimator, if you simply don't put extra Fate on guys when you buy them they will leave end of turn regardless. Between Fate phase and Province discard there should be more than enough to trigger the Spiritcaller. Ikoma Eiji also just pulls guys out of Provinces as well.

For Greater Glory doesn't necessarily need to be a 3x, as 2x is worth looking into. That still leaves room for other splashes too.

For Reanimator, I think that's way way way too slow to abuse the ability myself. You want to pay for Eiji or the Spiritcaller and not for the targets. That was part of the point behind the name. The three major ones look to be Toturi, the general, and Master of the Spear.

My poor Deathseeker is going to see so many political battles, especially with Ikoma Eiji on the board.

5 minutes ago, Tam Palso said:

How do the Lion initiate a duel though?

By going through Duelist Training ofc

2 minutes ago, BordOne said:

It is the same ability WORD for word.

Maybe we would maybe we wouldn't.

Yes people would. you know they would. and you're being a smart ***.

Just now, RandomJC said:

Yes people would. you know they would. and you're being a smart ***.

Dude easy xD

I played AGOT a lot, Cersei has very similar ability there in Intrigue challenges. Never ever saw somebody complaining that there isn't a card with the same skill for another type of challenge.

21 minutes ago, Tetsuro said:

Toturi did defeat Bayushi Shoyu in single combat, considered at the time to be one of the Empire's best swordsman.

He's never been a pushover when it comes to dueling.

Lies! Shoju let him win.

for the good of the Empire, of course.

30 minutes ago, fyrm said:

Banzai gives +2, or more likely +4. WotL doubles. so you Banzai first, pay the honor for +4, then double. so +4 from Banzai, then +4+base from Way, total +8+base for 2 cards.

WoTL Doubles the base so it is 4+(2xbase)

1 hour ago, Akodo_Metuki said:

Hmm, Kitsu Spirit caller makes me wonder when character check for uniqueness could he put a copy of say Toturi into play if you already had one? I'm assuming if you put Ikoma Eiji into play and lsot his reaction would trigger before the conditional trip to the bottom of your deck?

You can only have one Toturi in play at a time. That's not to say there's no potential benefit with your idea.

1 hour ago, Akodo_Metuki said:

Lion use tactics to win. but at least they have strong cards. seems like they have lower influence than some of t he other powerful cards, but the difference between 2 and 3 isnt that great.

The only time a 1 point difference in influence isn't that great compared to relative power value is when there are no cards with a low enough cost to slot in. It's a pretty significant difference.

This certainly seemed intimidating.

But then I realized that Lion have no honorable card draw. So as good as some of their conflict cards are they can't access them consistently without giving up their precious honor.

Plus I can see them having a lot of issues with their economy. Card flips are only useful if you can afford the revealed card.

14 minutes ago, Tam Palso said:

How do the Lion initiate a duel though?

By going through his lineage for days and days until the enemy commander gets fed up with the Lion's pompous speech.

4 minutes ago, BordOne said:

Dude easy xD

I played AGOT a lot, Cersei has very similar ability there in Intrigue challenges. Never ever saw somebody complaining that there isn't a card with the same skill for another type of challenge.

Ok? And?

I've seen people complain on this forum about the stupidest things, I have no faith people wouldn't complain about that.

I'm liking how things are shaping up .

I get them wanting to show Crane as pinnacle of Political and Lion pinnacle of Military, so their champs being "opposite sides of the same coin" doesn't bother me.

Also don't forget these cards are "evergreen", so staple abilities that FFG wants the clans to always have are going to be printed now in this set, which includes getting the "boring" abilities out of the way, and we'll get more interesting abilities in expansions.

24 minutes ago, JRosen9 said:

If I remember that story correctly, didn't Shoju see the error of his ways and purposely break his sword in the throne. If I am remembering correctly, that means Toturi's great dueling is taking down unarmed men

Is that how it was retconned? I sort of lost track of how many times they hacked apart the old guys about the time they inexplicably pushed the guy that stapled his son to a war banner to gain demon allies as some sort of misunderstood hero.