I don't think switching the B/E2 to a title is a fix per say. It's honestly what it should have been all along. It would help it a bunch. I always run engine upgrade on Keyan. It would be nice to be able to do that plus have a crew on there.

To make the b-wing playable now, I think t he E2 upgrade (as a mod or a title) text have to be

Your upgrade bar gains the Crew upgrade icon. If you equip a crew, its cost is reduced to 0.

a free crew (we pay the 1pt cost for the E2) will help the b-wing be part of the game another time...

5 hours ago, Psalm 112 said:

Just because ships are in tournaments doesn't mean they are good. Most people fly the xwing for fun, even in tourneys.

And just because ships don't win tournaments doesn't mean they are bad. X-Wings are great in Epic, HotAC, and casual play.

50 minutes ago, Rasputindarksyde said:

I don't think switching the B/E2 to a title is a fix per say. It's honestly what it should have been all along. It would help it a bunch.

Agreed. It makes no sense at all that this is not a Title.

How they can toss the blue line for the C-ROC out the door but not change this is beyond me.

Remember when we said the Bwing needed to be able to take Reinforced Deflectors?

And then we got the Uwing?

10 hours ago, TreebeardTheEnt said:

After reading the most recent 101 article, it got me thinking: Would it help the B-Wing to errata the B-Wing/E2 card from a modification to a title? This would open the modification slot but I only see 6 upgrades that may be used.

I don't think you could change an upgrade card from one type to another without re-releasing it. However taking a clue from Heavy Scyk Interceptor you could do something with B-Wing E2. Add 1 to shield value or allow you to regen a shield token if you have no shield tokens at the end of the end phase.

Actually the if you have no shield tokens add one shield token would do great for the B-wing. The B-wing will still be vulnerable because it has to suffer at least 5 hits before it gets a use from it and by then when it is at hull the B-wing is easy pickings. Even then it can only get 1 shield which puts it at 4 hits. Heck throw in Chewbacca for an extra shield token if needed. But you won't get one from the new E2.

I'd rather see them just release a brand new B Wing title than errata the E2 card. Make it a title that says you can take a 2nd modification at 1 cost or less, and maybe throw in a crew upgrade cost reduction. Though instead of a crew cost reduction I'd rather see a cannon cost reduction.

What the Bwing really needs is Primed Thrusters.

Literally half it's dial it cant use actions with, which makes being "Like the Xwing, but with barrel roll" useless. It's named pilots, who are high enlogh PS to USE the barrel roll effectively, cant because their white maneuvers are so predictable.

If they had primed thrusters or an equivilant title, Keyan could pull a 1 hard barrel roll like a tie fighter and use his ability to clear stress. Ibstan could use Intensity on red moves. Ten Numb might be able to avoid being shot.

4 hours ago, Rasputindarksyde said:

I don't think switching the B/E2 to a title is a fix per say. It's honestly what it should have been all along. It would help it a bunch. I always run engine upgrade on Keyan. It would be nice to be able to do that plus have a crew on there.

I would not call this a fix. I don't believe the title card type had been used when the B/E2 came out. I was thinking of it as a real errata to say "this should have been a tittle" not a way to fix the ship. I was just wondering what the effects would be if the change was made.

47 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

I don't think you could change an upgrade card from one type to another without re-releasing it.

Except for modifications and titles since they have no icon in the lower left corner.

2 hours ago, TreebeardTheEnt said:

Except for modifications and titles since they have no icon in the lower left corner.

back of the card, yeah no left corner which is why every modification and title upgrade has the words either modification or title .

So look at the card again, and I mean the entire card, not just the one picture you pulled off of squad builder/FFG article/x-wing mini wiki.

Lol.

I have all my cards in ultra pro binders so I can see the text. Totally forgot about the back of the cards.

2 hours ago, TreebeardTheEnt said:

Lol.

I have all my cards in ultra pro binders so I can see the text. Totally forgot about the back of the cards.

You're not the only one that has thought of that. I am certain I even put in an edited photo making fun of the fix. Best thing to do is try to follow all the precedents that FFG has set for their Balance fixes be it upgrades or FAQs. So far they have yet to change an upgrade from one type to another. That being said they have made cards that do the similar thing with a different upgrade slot. So making a B-wing only title that does something similar or errata the E2 title to be a better modification (such as give it restricted shield regeneration), are fixes that follows the precedent.

16 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

even Biggs should be fine with IA and a Stealth device.

I'd be more concerned by hull or shield upgrade. Stealth Device on a 2 agility ship... meh

16 hours ago, Stevey86 said:

B-WING ONLY. TITLE .

Your upgrade bar gains the Crew upgrade icon.
If you equip a Crew upgrade, its squad point cost is reduced by 1 (to a minimum of 0).

Since Guns for Hire has been announced this no longer seems like ridiculous change.

Just now, Sasajak said:

I'd be more concerned by hull or shield upgrade. Stealth Device on a 2 agility ship... meh

Since Guns for Hire has been announced this no longer seems like ridiculous change.

The cost reduction modification I want for the Bwing is -3 off cannons. And an extra cannon slot.

5 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

The cost reduction modification I want for the Bwing is -3 off cannons. And an extra cannon slot.

And of course you can fire both in one round

3 minutes ago, Sasajak said:

And of course you can fire both in one round

Ten numb should not get a double tap, or the intercepter is dead forever.

10 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

And just because ships don't win tournaments doesn't mean they are bad. X-Wings are great in Epic, HotAC, and casual play.

Agreed. It makes no sense at all that this is not a Title.

How they can toss the blue line for the C-ROC out the door but not change this is beyond me.

Because the E/2 mod being changed to a title does nothing to address the ships problems. Wohoo, now you can take guidance chips with a crew slot on your mini arc restricted torp boat before it dies to Fenn Rau, except now you have a title to complain about instead of a mod slot.

6 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

What the Bwing really needs is Primed Thrusters.

Literally half it's dial it cant use actions with, which makes being "Like the Xwing, but with barrel roll" useless. It's named pilots, who are high enlogh PS to USE the barrel roll effectively, cant because their white maneuvers are so predictable.

If they had primed thrusters or an equivilant title, Keyan could pull a 1 hard barrel roll like a tie fighter and use his ability to clear stress. Ibstan could use Intensity on red moves. Ten Numb might be able to avoid being shot.

I was thinking about this, maybe making a system slot upgrade that cost 0-2 points that let's you switch out your system slot for a tech slot. Not putting any restrictions on it either. I think it would help allot of pilots in game, with out breaking anything to hard. E-wing (not corran, although i don't think comm relay would break him any more than his pilot ability already does, but without playtesting it I'm shooting in the dark.) and TIE Punisher come to mind. Maybe small ship only if the ghost benefits to much, i guess.

The B-Wing doesn't just need another modification. It is also overpriced to a point where you almost can't build one that's usable. So the change would have to reduce the cost by 1 to 3 points, depending on who you ask.

Hence a possible fix could be a title that reduces cost and allows 2 modifications, or maybe 1+E/2.

The B-Wing is supposed to be what we actually do see in the current meta: a hard hitting ship which can also take a punch. But somehow he's worse and more expensive at the same time...

6 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Because the E/2 mod being changed to a title does nothing to address the ships problems.

My comment had nothing to do with "fixing " and everything to do with internal rules consistency.

On 6/14/2017 at 8:23 AM, TreebeardTheEnt said:

After reading the most recent 101 article, it got me thinking: Would it help the B-Wing to errata the B-Wing/E2 card from a modification to a title? This would open the modification slot but I only see 6 upgrades that may be used.

Canonically I think the loss of the mod slot makes sense as all the room where the mods would be is taken up by the crew compartment.

That is a good point. I know Admiral Ackbar had a modified B-Wing that could seat two people. Where there more made?

Edit: just looked through Wookieepedia.com and I can't even find reference to the one Ackbar owned. What is Cannon and what is Legends is very confusing to me right now.

14 hours ago, John Rainbow said:

Canonically I think the loss of the mod slot makes sense as all the room where the mods would be is taken up by the crew compartment.

Most, Engine upgrade or vectored thruster wouldn't fit that. Mind you, no need for thrusters on Bwing.

I can can see it both ways honestly. It would help the Bwing if it was a title instead

Thematically not a huge fan of a 0/1 point cost title " B-Wing/E2" for everyone, but let me share some of my thoughts.

I truly believe the generics are properly priced and acceptable at their current situation EXCEPT that the dial is very unforgiving. The problem is there is not a mechanism to fix/errata a dial improvement (or degradation which is required for the JM5K).

• A Title that allows changing the 4 red maneuver into a K turn would be acceptable. This is the true weakness of the B-Wing. I would argue that the 3 banks should be white and a 3 or 4-K should be added. Then I think the generic B-Wings are right where they need to be.
• I could be wrong but I truly believe it is the Large Based Ship that kicked B-Wings out of contention, the inability to turn around or any other maneuver besides a red 4-Straight if you get within . Then you are hosed (from my experience).

The named pilots on the other hand are OVER-priced ALONG with a dial that is very unforgiving. With them I am more supportive. A 0pt B-Wing/E2 for PS5 or higher would increase one or two B-Wings into lists but not promote the super-efficient generic B-Wing BBBBZ. I thought I understood that the development team wanted to promote more Aces in tournament play so giving PS5 or higher a boost would be greatly appreciated.

I have additional ideas for titles but they mostly revolved around two concepts.

1. Thematically - Linked cannon with the primaries (could be overpowered - I started out flying 3-B-Wings with Autoblaster Cannons and HLC until Mara Jade and Rebel Captive come on the scene).
2. Mechanics - fixing the Dial. I considered a Title with tokens that treated some/all manuevers as white and when using one of those maneuvers you rolled a die and on a hit you lose one of the tokens. When out of tokens you discard the title. Also played with some other ideas but it really comes to the ship's dial.

I consider the relationship between 4 B-Wings with FCS and the Attanni Mindlink squads share on attack (not defense). The difference is an overpowered low cost JM5K dial and an underwhelming high cost B-Wing dial. If you look at the X-Wing --> Y-Wing --> B-Wing you see the dial progression model that is no longer in existence for Scum ships.

Therefore, I think you are on to something as long as it is applied to PS5 or higher.

Off to bed and stare at my LEGO set 10227 sitting on my dresser in full glory.

On 6/14/2017 at 6:33 AM, gamblertuba said:

You realize the nerfening has nothing to buffing ships right? Is Hired Guns a bad thing because it makes us wish for new Titles on other ships.

Some of these forum goers have been saying the Starviper was about three points too expensive since it was announced.

Starviper fix appears to be ok and they should start seeing more playtime. The Kihraxz Fighter.....may appear ok for now as it still has severe chassis limitations but any future upgrades is going to be...dangerous and possibly game breaking. I can already see ways of causing problems for others.....all those under-costed upgrades.

Some people made fun of me for the sky is falling Jumpmasters as I bought 3 of them (still never fielded them all) but looks who is whining now.

35 minutes ago, rilesman said:

I have additional ideas for titles but they mostly revolved around two concepts.

1. Thematically - Linked cannon with the primaries (could be overpowered - I started out flying 3-B-Wings with Autoblaster Cannons and HLC until Mara Jade and Rebel Captive come on the scene).
2. Mechanics - fixing the Dial. I considered a Title with tokens that treated some/all manuevers as white and when using one of those maneuvers you rolled a die and on a hit you lose one of the tokens. When out of tokens you discard the title. Also played with some other ideas but it really comes to the ship's dial.

1)Ten numb with double tap removes Soontier fell from the meta permanantly. I'm a fan of multiple discounted cannons, but tie/D is right out for the bwing

2)

Primed Thrusters and Hera in a single package. Chain red maneuvers together and barrel roll after each, but you cap at 3, and you dont get any other actions till you clear it all.