1 minute ago, Truthiness said:I protected Ninja, which confirms both of us as far as I'm concerned. I guess we really did have 4 power roles. So, Onisden then?
Okay I'm thrilled if that is true, but why in the **** would the traitor not kill you?
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I'm kinda in disbelief myself. To make me look guilty? That's what the night kills have been about so far.
The only two options beyond you and me telling the truth are 1) the Scum opted not to make a night kill and 2) I'm lying and there's another doc out there that protected someone. Both of those options are barely even plausible. #1 would just be silly and with #2 you would think the other doc would have piped up to call me a liar. I'm back to Onisden. The vote for himself is back to looking like a last second Hail Mary.
##vote Onisden
46 minutes ago, Visovics said:Also, I'm inclined to believe more in Truthiness now, since no one died. Either he did his job, or the scum cannot do both action and kill, which leads us to the question: Has anyone received anything of any sort?
The scum must be able to do both. You were be able last game. But even without that, truthiness is completely clean. CNinja gave us the result of Truthiness visiting Norell and we got a kill. So, if he was guilty CNinja had to die this night.
At this point I am 100% sure about Truthiness and CNinja. One saved the night and the other cannot kill himself.
15 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:The bad news is that I tracked GoNIPs.
He stayed home. That doesn't tell us much.
Hey! That's good news! It proves my innocence, no?
Also: sorry Norell. I shouldn't have doubted you. After all, you did do well on Umbara. . .
Oh well, here goes:
##vote Onidsen.
That puts you at L-2, btw.
To summarize the actions and findings:
I protected Norell N1
Ninja tracked me to Norell N1
Norell watched Onisden and nobody visited him (remember, Norell's ability could not tell if Onisden himself went anywhere) N1
Ninja tracked Nippy, who went nowhere N2
I protected Ninja N2 and nobody died.
Day 3, 44 hours to night.
6 alive, 4 to hammer
The Quick;
@Onidsen - Truthiness, Onidsen
The Dead;
Biggs, JJ, Norell
Some of you get smacked in the face by a herring.
Edited by MadaghmireThose that are uncleared by investigation or action thus far are Vis, Ovi, and Oni. Ninja, I doubt I survive the night (admittedly I said the same yesterday), but I will make sure that you do again. If I'm wrong about Oni, Vis or Ovi should be your next tracking target.
2 minutes ago, Truthiness said:Norell watched Onisden and nobody visited him (remember, Norell's ability could not tell if Onisden himself went anywhere) N1
Yeah so as a Watcher, he'd have to have watched JJ to see the kill right?
I feel pretty good about it, but I hate to rush it. Everyone think Onidsen is the right play?
2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Day 3, 44 hours to night.
6 alive, 4 to hammer
The Quick;
@Onidsen - Truthiness, Slippy Nippy
The Dead;
Biggs, JJ, Norell
Everyone wakes up to find that everyone is safe and sound. What a relief!
We woke up twice?
Just now, CaribbeanNinja said:Yeah so as a Watcher, he'd have to have watched JJ to see the kill right?
I feel pretty good about it, but I hate to rush it. Everyone think Onidsen is the right play?
Yes, from my understanding he would have had to watch JJ.
Calm down guys! We don't need a quick lynch as we had with JJ last game.
Likely Onidsen is scum.
But we have 4 roles so what about 2 scum left?
Onidsen + Visovics/Ghost
Ghost was tracked and was nowhere but what about a redirector? But then Truthiness would have been redirected to kill CNinja. So vanilla scums?? That way Ghost could stay at home whole Onidsen was making the kill but wouldn't be more logic to let Ghost make the kill?
Nah Ghost is clean. So Onidsen and Visovics or just one scum with some role unknown role.
However Onidsen is our main suspect right now and maths now are better.
D3 onidsen lynched... We fail.
N3 Truth die. CNinja track visovics or me and it is done, no matter if he choose right, it would be the other. If he kills someone else he will have even harder.
## vote Onidsen.
Well, you're still wrong, but I don't think that anything I say will make a difference at this point.
I trust truthiness, but I want to point out that this doesn't 100% clear him. He could be evil and didn't put in the kill to make it look like we had a proper protection. Remember that after I'm gone.
Sorry. H-1.
##unvote onidsen
I am pretty sure about my vote but I would like to hear from Truthiness and CNinja.
I think we might have 2 Scum left. With a traitor in the mix, that's a real possibility. I'm pretty sure on Oni right now.
1 hour ago, Truthiness said:The only two options beyond you and me telling the truth are 1) the Scum opted not to make a night kill and 2) I'm lying and there's another doc out there that protected someone. Both of those options are barely even plausible. #1 would just be silly and with #2 you would think the other doc would have piped up to call me a liar. I'm back to Onisden. The vote for himself is back to looking like a last second Hail Mary.
3 minutes ago, Onidsen said:I want to point out that this doesn't 100% clear him. He could be evil and didn't put in the kill to make it look like we had a proper protection. Remember that after I'm gone.
So your defense is... something I already pointed?
Pointed *out*
8 minutes ago, Onidsen said:He could be evil and didn't put in the kill to make it look like we had a proper protection. Remember that after I'm gone.
1 hour ago, Truthiness said:The only two options beyond you and me telling the truth are 1) the Scum opted not to make a night kill
WHAAAAAAAT?!!
Is that possible @Madaghmire ??
Looks like I missed that you pointed it out. It's not a defense. I'm dead this cycle. Just wanted to make sure that other people noted the possibility. After all, even though I trust you, I'm not 100% on you.
But either way, I'm ready to move on to the observer's doc. You'll see my role flip soon enough, and you'll know i have only the best interests out the village at heart
##vote Onidsen
Well, if it isn't you, then that puts us at either Ovi or Vis. That or Ninja has played us masterfully and deserves to win
If you are indeed townie, take solace in the fact that it whittles down Ninja's potential watcher targets. When he watches Ovi or Vis, he'll either catch the target, or they'll be clean and we just hang whoever he didn't watch. I'll likely be in the observer's lounge with you tonight as well.
Throwback to when I had a gut feeling about Ovi and Slippy
I still feel like Oni was setup, and Ninja's results point to Slippy's innocence (unless he is lying, and if so, bravo! Fooled us) I'm inclined to Ovi right now
37 minutes ago, Visovics said:Throwback to when I had a gut feeling about Ovi and Slippy
I still feel like Oni was setup, and Ninja's results point to Slippy's innocence (unless he is lying, and if so, bravo! Fooled us) I'm inclined to Ovi right now
If Onidsen is scum you or me could be too so I am not surprised about it.
However if Onidsen was setup, and there is 2 scum, then you AND me are scum. I know I am not so it is impossible. Both know that.
It means that if Onidsen was setup we were not in the 2 scum left scenario. We would be in the 1 scum scenario.
It brings 2 questions:
1. do we have then 4 roles?
2. what kind of role the last scum has?
Onidsen voting himself again could be a desperate move or an honest sacrifice, again, so...
Let's think:
Onidsen is scum. Then Visovics or me is the other. CNinja tracks you or me. We win.
Onidsen is scum and there is not another scum. We win.
Onidsen is not scum. There are two scum left. You and me is not possible cause i know I am not. Truthiness or CNinja cannot be one of them cause it means 3 roles with 3 scum and I don't see it quit fair. However in this case, they likely win during the night. We lose.
Onidsen is not scum and there is just one scum. Which role he has if he has one?
- Let's say no role: Ghost and Truthiness are townie. We probably have 3 roles then so CNinja lies. If he doesn't then he saves the game but being a possible scum you and me would be done and he wins and we lose.
- let's say a role: not knowing the role everyone could be the scum. All we know is that anyone was blocked and one positive result (Truthiness visited Norell) and two negative results (anyone visit Onidsen and Ghost went nowhere).
Whatever that role could be Visovics or me didn't use it cause all worked fine it seems.
If Ghost is, he could redirect CNinja to someone else to seems clean to CNinja, but then why he didn't redirect Truthiness and killed CNinja? Another role here instead of redirect?
If CNinja is, he could redirect Norell the first night to be sure. It was not necessary and he could claim tracker easily cause Truthiness claimed before. He chose to skip the night kill, as it seems possible, cleaning himself and Truthiness. He said he tracked a claimed vanilla saying he went nowhere, another easy claim. We lynch Onidsen, he "tracks" Visovics or me and lynch. He wins.
If Truthiness is, he could redirect Norell. He claimed doc just in case there was a tracker who tracked him. He skip the kill to clean himself and CNinja. He could redirect CNinja just in case he tracks him again. We lynch Onidsen, CNinja track Visovics or me and lynch cause a negative result is enough. He wins.
IMHO
A. Onidsen + Visovics.
B. CNinja alone.
C. Truthiness alone.
I am pretty sure about Ghost cause I have no idea about what role he could be cause it is not working it seems. The same with Visovics if Onidsen is not scum and the same happens if Onidsen is alone.
So is it possible to actually skip a night kill? If so, it can be the perfect setup for truthiness to claim doc if he is scum, of course there is the risk of there being the actual doc and him contesting the claim
15 minutes ago, Visovics said:So is it possible to actually skip a night kill? If so, it can be the perfect setup for truthiness to claim doc if he is scum, of course there is the risk of there being the actual doc and him contesting the claim
If there was a doc, he'd have contested the claim by now. He's had 2 days. I agree that it'd be the perfect cover for Truthiness. After all, why would somebody target the tracker, when he is the only remaining power role for the doc to protect? Seems smarter to target the doc in a situation like that. Still, odd.
@Truthiness , did you get any PM concerning the effects of your protection? Like, 'Congrats, you fought off the hooligan!' or whatnot? Anything to imply that your ability was actually used?
Well, I'll be heading off to bed now, so if Onidsen is lynched before I wake up: if you're innocent, sorry dude.