2 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Does it means you had not a PM when you visited Norell?

That is 100% correct. I put in my PM and woke up to the irony of having shifted my protection away from the target of the night kill.

Let's say Onidsen is innocent as his combination seems not too possible.

4 roles. Then Visovics and me. I know it is not possible. Why we are discussing while lynching Onidsen we win? He was at h-1 without our votes. We could lynch him.

3 roles. Truthiness/CNinja + someone else (but Onidsen)

Truthiness + me. Why we don't lynch Onidsen and finish it? I could. Instead of that I pointed that Truthiness still being a possible scum redirecting CNinja to JJ.

Truthiness + Visovics. Almost the same. They could lynch Onidsen and win. But Visovics changed from voting Onidsen to think he is being setup.

Truthiness + Ghost. Why Truthiness said he protected CNinja instead of Ghost. They couldn't be sure about CNinja cleaning Ghost. The excuse to not protect CNinja could was that as Norell was watcher we didn't have a tracker. But at the end why they are not lynching Onidsen to win easy? Both votes was already there!

CNinja + me. We would be lynching Onidsen not bringing sense to this. Both could do that.

CNinja + visovics. The same.

CNinja + Ghost. CNinja could save ghost as the same time they imagined that Truthiness was going to save CNinja. The move was perfect. But what is stopping them from lynching Onidsen and win? Truthiness pointed to the night trick as Onidsen did it . However CNinja could lynch Onidsen.

2 roles (both dead)

Truthiness + CNinja. Both covered each other almost perfectly. Both voted Norell. One voted Biggs while the other didn't. They needed Norell dead for their night trick. But... CNinja could lynch Onidsen to win what stopped him? Maybe the clock. He was here 1 hour before Onidsen put himself at h-1 but it seems he was not until Ghost unvoted.

So in this scenario.

Truthiness + Ghost > Truthiness + CNinja (but close)

12 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

So in this scenario.

Truthiness + Ghost > Truthiness + CNinja (but close)

And Onidsen + Visovics (or me)

If they were not 3 we are not so bad but I think we must lynch with those options in mind cause if we fail we loose. Thoughts?

32 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Truthiness + me. Why we don't lynch Onidsen and finish it? I could. Instead of that I pointed that Truthiness still being a possible scum redirecting CNinja to JJ.

I'm probably reading this wrong, but you and Truthiness (+ GoNIPs) did put Onidsen at h-1. You would have needed someone else to jump in.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I'm probably reading this wrong, but you and Truthiness (+ GoNIPs) did put Onidsen at h-1. You would have needed someone else to jump in.

Truth and Ghost voted. I voted but unvoted when I saw h-1. Onidsen put himself at h-1 so I could hammer him without worrying about seems guilty cause Truth and me would win.

33 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Let's say Onidsen is innocent as his combination seems not too possible.

I also kind of want to know what this means. Why is his "combination" not too possible?

I can totally envision Biggs+Onidsen (Scum) and someone else (Ovinomanc3r?) the Traitor.

That would be pretty reasonable I think.

Just now, CaribbeanNinja said:

I also kind of want to know what this means. Why is his "combination" not too possible?

I can totally envision Biggs+Onidsen (Scum) and someone else (Ovinomanc3r?) the Traitor.

That would be pretty reasonable I think.

As I said: Onidsen + CNinja/Truth cannot be case it means a really stupid move pointing the night trick.

Onidsen + Visovics/me is plausible. I know I am not but you don't know and I agree. However it would easy to proof. Just lynch Onidsen. If he is scum you track one of us and done. But if he is not scum I am sure Visovics + me is not possible cause then, Onidsen would be already dead.

The only reason I don't run after Onidsen are the chances of you and nd truthiness or Ghost and truthiness. I would like to hear why Visovics changed his mind about Onidsen after Norell died and Truthiness happy night. Maybe they didn't think Truth could save the correct one. It was a 50% chance (CNinja or Truth). Onidsen already pointed to that.

I know it's not Truthiness & me. In fact, if it is Truthiness, and not CNinja, then I don't know how CNinja can confirm his night action. That implies that out of all Truthiness combos, Truthiness + CNinja is the most likely. So if there are two scum left, then indeed, not night killing and not hammering now is silly. It delays the chance of them winning.

So with that being said, either there is only one scum left, and he didn't hammer to avoid suspicion/solidify his position, or there are two scum and and they tried hammering CNinja.

If the latter, then CNinja and Truthiness are clean, implying that It could be a combo of Onidsen/Vis/Ovi.

If the former, then it can't be Truthiness, as that would conflict with CNinja's result. Therefore, if we only have one scum, it is one of:
1) CNinja
2) Ovinomanc3r
3) Visovics
4) Onidsen

Onidsen seems set up, ovinomanc3r seems largely clean (as does Vis) and CNinja seems a bit suspicious due to being the last to claim, the hammer on Biggs, etc.

So we now have to decide which seems more plausible: There being 2 scum and them not hammering/trying to hammer CNinja, in which case it's the 3 people listed above, or there being 1 scum and it being 1 of the 4 above.

Btw you could lynch me but then 3/4 means you loose (T+C;T+G;O+V). And I say you that you would loose.

18 hours ago, Onidsen said:

Looks like I missed that you pointed it out. It's not a defense. I'm dead this cycle. Just wanted to make sure that other people noted the possibility. After all, even though I trust you, I'm not 100% on you.

But either way, I'm ready to move on to the observer's doc. You'll see my role flip soon enough, and you'll know i have only the best interests out the village at heart

##vote Onidsen

We pretty much have to decide what the above is.

Is it

1. A desperate attempt by a traitor that had his partner lynched Day 1 (and also tried to clear him.)

or

2. A loyal member of the crew that is tired of the game.

I'm inclined to go #1.

Right. So essentially the options for lynch are CNinja or Onidsen. Ovi and Vis seem less suspicious, and since Truthiness also links CNinja, it's a bit more of a stretch. So do we vote Onidsen (who's already at L-2) or CNinja?

4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

We pretty much have to decide what the above is.

Is it

1. A desperate attempt by a traitor that had his partner lynched Day 1 (and also tried to clear him.)

or

2. A loyal member of the crew that is tired of the game.

I'm inclined to go #1.

I'm inclined to go #1, but I was pretty off with Norell too. You, me, and Nippy are the circle of trust right now based on night actions. I'm trusting you completely as I am convinced the Mafia came after you. If you are Scum and opted just not to kill last night, then I tip my hat for that insane but brilliant play.

Ovi is doing some rather interesting gymnastics to find reasons to suspect you and me, but I think that's because he's not sure about Oni more than anything. Vis is interestingly silent over there. Pick your watch target. You will survive the night.

If it is Onidsen, it has been obvious, and we really should have lynched him hours ago.

If it isn't Onidsen, there are darker forces at play that are a lot harder to detect (and we don't look so bad )

For that reason I think we should lynch @Onidsen .

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I know it's not Truthiness & me.

Fair

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

In fact, if it is Truthiness, and not CNinja, then I don't know how CNinja can confirm his night action.

Maybe you missed where I said, not too convinced, but as a real possibility, that JJ performed and action. He could do it on Norell. Cninja could track Truthiness but was redirected to JJ and see a visit on Norell. Of course if this is true it meana Truthiness and you so, again, fair

From the most objective point of view I can I must saythat both Truthiness and Onidsen are scum in 2 of 4 scenario. If we fail we are wasting our time. But if we lynch the right one?

Lynching Truthiness means that both, CNinja and Ghost could be the last one. Our tracker would be useless as he is suspicious so not the best scenario.

Lynching Onidsen we win cause CNinja track me or Visovics.

I think it has sense so...

## vote Onidsen

In advance for CNinja who can hammer: if I am wrong...

And well played.

I will point out that Ovi and Vis are the only two that have not shared their back story.

##unvote Onisden to get us back to -2.

The evidence has been saying Onisden. My gut is giving.me nagging doubt that it could be Ovi. Ninja, what are you thinking?

@ovinomanc3r and @Visovics can you please fully share your backstory and role?

Just now, Truthiness said:

##unvote Onisden to get us back to -2.

The evidence has been saying Onisden. My gut is giving.me nagging doubt that it could be Ovi. Ninja, what are you thinking?

I'm really worried actually. Everything points to Onidsen, but I fear if we get it wrong we lose.

5 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

I will point out that Ovi and Vis are the only two that have not shared their back story.

4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

@ovinomanc3r and @Visovics can you please fully share your backstory and role?

I already put it. Around pages 11-13 maybe? Give me a minute.

On 2017-6-17 at 9:25 AM, ovinomanc3r said:

I am loyal crewman Ovi Wanna Bowie. I escaped from the jedi when I was a lovely -too lovely- child. My wandering life since then didn't become much better but hey! I got a great music collection full of classics. Sadly my Space Oddity is about to end.

Morning stuff. I will be back later.

Here.

On 6/15/2017 at 6:23 PM, Visovics said:

Also, you guys can call me Mike, Mike Mothra

That's all I can find from Vis. Care to elaborate?

1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Here.

Thanks! I tried searching earlier and couldn't find it. Yours is a bit beefier than Oni's so that works in your favor.

5 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Thanks! I tried searching earlier and couldn't find it. Yours is a bit beefier than Oni's so that works in your favor.

And they're all beefier then @Visovics 's

56 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

And they're all beefier then @Visovics 's

Yup. @Visovics , fork over the bio.