3 hours ago, TylerTT said:

despite the games looking like very similar products they are in fact very different in practice.

The model for ASOIF is much closer to a game like Battle lore. a full out of the box experience, and I'm guessing big expansion boxes down the line for more factions. This is a big box game.

FFG's model for rune wars is a starter set and then many small releases over time to keep players interested. this is a "Life Style" game or a living game.

If you want to play in an environment that is always fresh and interesting RW:MG is your bet. If you want a grand a game you can play with another friend over and over without it changing all the **** time then ASOIF is your bet.

Actually, when the game was announced at GAMA, CMON said they were going for monthly releases of individual unit boxes - so the release schedule/distribution of the game looks very similar to Runewars

The KS doesn't include any exclusive gameplay content, just KSE alternative sculpts and bling. It also gives you a chance to buy units before they are available to retail.

Its A Bit Different Than CMON's Usual approach.

I'd be much happier if the bases matched Runewars

The models look nice, but there are so many renders on the page it is a massive turn off. I just don't trust renders to be that close to the finals.

Was interested in both of these games in the spring, as a looooong time Warhammer player, but I'm really liking what I see from the Kickstarter so far. I just wasn't impressed with the Runewars starter box, and quite frankly, if you're going to make a war game with PVC miniatures, I kind of expect you to price them like PVC miniatures. This doesn't look like it'll be much cheaper in retail, but with the Kickstarter I know I'll probably get nearly double the value, leaving me with two medium to large armies right out of the gate. Also the rules look great, I'm all about a simplified Warhammer/more characterful Kings of War ruleset. Runewars are probably more innovative and take advantage of all their typical bits and bobs, but in terms of enjoyment both likely get the job done.

I need a retrograde bucket of dice wargame like I need a hole in the head.

I'll pass.

I'm sure the minis will be great, CMoN is a plastic toy company (like GW), and although they are making some acclaim for better games now, most of that acclaim is actually just Eric Lang, who if I recall they work in retention with now (and heck, Rising Sun with the Puerto Rico meets Dune rules/vibe is right up my alley, but again that's Lang, the miniatures might be neat but I'd play that in flat cardboardium alloy chits).

This will sell for no reason other than the IP, which was an alright IP, but I've read much better.

39 minutes ago, Darthain said:

It will sell for no reason other than the IP, which was an alright IP, but I've read much better.

OK, we probably have different tastes otherwise you would not have read *much* better, but I'm still interested. Can you name authors and why you like them?

Open question to others as well

Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen. The scope, plot, characters, are completely above and beyond everything Ive ever read. He doesnt spoonfeed you info (unlike, say, ASOIAF), and you have to figure stuff out for yourself. The characters have many nuances and motivations, and you never quite know what their true end game goal is. But if you are willing to think while you read and not just go braindead mode, it is far and away the best book series you'll read.

12 hours ago, Daverman said:

Having said all that, I imagine this will make millions.

Out of the gate yes. Does it/CMON have the gumption to keep up with a living game? That is where my biggest concern is.

My 2nd biggest concern after watching the video is how politics play into the battlefield so directly. It kinda like if our(US) troops are fighting on Iwo Jima and Roosevelt show up and says "I just got congress to pass a new defense budget!" Then the Japaneses troops flee in terror.

Mistborn by Sanderson, Liveship Traders by Hobb come to mind.

5 minutes ago, Corto said:

OK, we probably have different tastes otherwise you would not have read *much* better, but I'm still interested. Can you name authors and why you like them?

Open question to others as well

Patrick Rothfuss's Kingkiller Chronicles, Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive, and Jim Butcher's Dresden Files, though that last one is urban fantasy where the others are more traditionally epic fantasy.

21 minutes ago, Corto said:

OK, we probably have different tastes otherwise you would not have read *much* better, but I'm still interested. Can you name authors and why you like them?

Open question to others as well

King's Dark Tower

Erikson's Malazan book of the fallen

Both rank much higher on the quality scale. Martin also has the unfortunate event of having buried himself alive writing for distance on a rather worthless 4 and 5th installment... Where nothing happened. Martin gets a lot of credit for doing things like killing characters and bringing low fantasy up, but that isn't his either, it has been around a long time (Donaldson-Thomas Covenant, Moorcock - Elric, Cook - The Black Company) as well, and we wasn't particularly innovative. He just stole war of the roses England and gave it a very slight hint of fantasy that escalates. I did enjoy the first 3 volumes, but not as much as the hype GRRM has managed to generate.

And no, I don't want to talk about the abomination the upcoming dark tower movie appears to be, I will watch it, as I must, but it really doesn't look like they got it, at all. Love the cast (Elba and McConnaughney are aces), hate the direction.

19 minutes ago, Preotet said:

Mistborn by Sanderson, Liveship Traders by Hobb come to mind.

I second the Mistborn trilogy. Though I can't honestly compare to AGOT because I refuse to read those books.

GoT books 1,2,3 are good. 4 and 5 less so. The shows are better. I really enjoy the tv series.

i like Robert Jordon's Wheel of Time better.

Forgotten realms books (like 100's of them) like R A Salvatore are fun and more fantasy.

i want elves, dwarves, and Orcs, please.

i even enjoyed terry brooks more

if I were at home, I would list authors, but it's hard to off top of my head. Oh Tolkien of course!

Back on topic, reading through the BGG forums about ASOIAF minis game, is lots of people are throwing out how theyd rather play Runewars. So this might actually be good publicity for Runewars

" I think I'd pick up Runewars Miniatures Game before this." - VaultBoy

"It makes Runewars miniatures game look good." - Collection Account

Maybe people hearing about ASOIAF will pop on the forums, see these comments and decide to check Runewars out?

"It makes RWM look good". If ever there was a more backhanded compliment...

Why are we listing authors and series are we having some elitist my fantasy is better than your fantasy argument?...I so lost or is this an I don't think you plebs read therefore my taste in fantasy is better than yours? I don't know, I like books, lots of different authors and lots of different genre... but how did we go from talking about this game v RWM to a prove you're literate?

5 hours ago, Darthain said:

King's Dark Tower

Did dark tower get better after the first book? I had a hard time enjoying it...And I really like King's other work (11/22/63...great book)

6 minutes ago, jek said:

Why are we listing authors and series are we having some elitist my fantasy is better than your fantasy argument?

When I want to read fantasy I just read Trumps tweets....ok I'll just show my self out....

18 minutes ago, jek said:

Why are we listing authors and series are we having some elitist my fantasy is better than your fantasy argument?...I so lost or is this an I don't think you plebs read therefore my taste in fantasy is better than yours? I don't know, I like books, lots of different authors and lots of different genre... but how did we go from talking about this game v RWM to a prove you're literate?

I didn't get the impression that people were trying to show up one another. One person said there are better fantasy series than AGOT and other people were curious which ones were better, so people started chiming in with things they like.

For my part, I'm quite fond of pages 20-21 of the RMG Lore Guide. [jest]BEST. FANTASY. WRITING. EVER.[/jest]

Oh cmon is trying to make a living game? That's interesting. I hope it works out for them.

Glad to hear the exclusives are cosmetic.

while I personally don't like cg renders used to sell plastics cmon has earned my trust for producing models that match the renders these days. The Godfather figures are out of this world.

There was a comment asking for people's taste in authors. JRRM is a very intresting read and is writing something much closer to a history than a story. Reality is much darker than most stories dare be and that's what defines ASOIF to me.

the Lannister v starks is likely the most vanilla starting place for a miniatures game in ASOIF would love to see dragons, watch, and those cold fellows get some armies.

1 hour ago, jek said:

Did dark tower get better after the first book? I had a hard time enjoying it...And I really like King's other work (11/22/63...great book)

I would say yes by point of gravity, but in contrast I rather enjoyed the Gunslinger, and am not really a horror guy so don't do much King at all. The opening is really just that, it didn't give you much to sink into. other thank who/wtf is Roland (and again, Hollywood is going to bone the crap out of that).

Thanks all for the reading suggestions, always good to try new books people have enjoyed

On 7/27/2017 at 4:19 PM, taylorcowbell said:

Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen. The scope, plot, characters, are completely above and beyond everything Ive ever read. He doesnt spoonfeed you info (unlike, say, ASOIAF), and you have to figure stuff out for yourself. The characters have many nuances and motivations, and you never quite know what their true end game goal is. But if you are willing to think while you read and not just go braindead mode, it is far and away the best book series you'll read.

Greatest books I've ever read and I was going to give the same answer, I've never quite found a substitute that reels me in the same way.

The CMON Kickstarter seems to have tanked today. They announced that unit boxes (12 troops or 4 cavalry) will retail for $35 and pledges started to be dropped.

Today they've gained $890 and the backer count has increased by 3.

All that hate that non-Runewars players were giving for $25 expansions and here we are with expansions with an even higher price tag.

This game just doesn't seem to offer anything new - and by the time it comes out - Runewars will be a year ahead on releases and much more fleshed out.