Hello

the rulebook say and I quote:

" A player cannot field two or more cards that share the same unique name, even if those cards are of different types. "

I'm from spain and that 'field' can be interpreted by many ways. What does it really mean? Field = at the beginning of the game when you place your forces or Field = any time of the game

I will try to explain myself. Imagine I have Guri with the Cloacking device and Palob with Feedback array and Vizago. Can I use Vizago to change my feedback array to cloacking device? if the answer is no because it's still equipped to Guri, can I change it if Guri loses it?

Thanks for your help.

Joel

No RAW answer. Needs FAQ.

While Spacey is technically correct (the best kind of correct!), I would suggest that the common meaning of 'field' in this context is 'to send into battle', from the literal 'ordering your army to the field'.

While I'm not claiming it is definitive, I would feel supremely confident in saying that if you have the unique card Cloaking Device in play, you may not attempt to field any card named Cloaking Device, period.

The rulebook states " A player cannot field two or more cards that share the same unique name... "

There's no timing limit there that would restrict it to just the setup phase, so by default it would cover the entire game. Therefore, you cannot have two unique cards with the same name, at any stage , period.

That's the way I see it.

As the above people have said, probably not. Up to you how to interpret it in the end, but my go-to for situations like this is to hold off and wait for confirmation that it does work before using it, or at least ask my opponent if it's ok to try it.

Just to finish the original question, I see no reason you couldn't give Palob the Illicit Cloak after it is discarded from Guri.

On 6/12/2017 at 2:46 PM, nitrobenz said:

Just to finish the original question, I see no reason you couldn't give Palob the Illicit Cloak after it is discarded from Guri.

I do (the discarded card is still with the ship for scoring purposes, and still part of your squad), but I like the way you think.

3 minutes ago, digitalbusker said:

I do (the discarded card is still with the ship for scoring purposes, and still part of your squad), but I like the way you think.

It's been a while since I read the relevant rule, but doesn't it say that it ONLY counts for scoring purposes? In other words it is still a part of squad when adding up points but is otherwise ignored and treated as if it isn't there.

I just reread the Tournament Rules section on discarded cards and it seems to me like they'd still count as being fielded for the purposes of the unique rule.

Here's the relevant paragraph:

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Discarded Cards

When a player is instructed to discard an Upgrade card, he or she flips it facedown instead. If a player is instructed to discard a Dual card, he or she places it under the Ship card it is attached to instead. Dual cards under a Ship card are considered facedown. Facedown Upgrade cards and Dual cards under Ship cards are out of play but remain equipped to their respective ships. They are not placed into a player’s score pile unless the ship to which they are equipped is destroyed.

Yeah, with that wording RAW would be that it precludes adding one.

In X wing "discard" means "flip -something- face down".

2 hours ago, toffolone said:

In X wing "discard" means "flip -something- face down".

That's tournament speak.

As for the question asked you shouldn't be able to have two of the same unique on the board at the same time. Now if it happens to leave the board then I believe you should be able to bring it back even if it happens to be on a different ship or in another form. If you're looking at the Cloaking Device maybe that second ship had most of the stuff it needed to make it work but needed to salvage one unique component to finally get it working.

8 hours ago, StevenO said:

That's tournament speak.

As for the question asked you shouldn't be able to have two of the same unique on the board at the same time. Now if it happens to leave the board then I believe you should be able to bring it back even if it happens to be on a different ship or in another form. If you're looking at the Cloaking Device maybe that second ship had most of the stuff it needed to make it work but needed to salvage one unique component to finally get it working.

It's not at all clear that discarding something makes it "leave the board". In fact in the tournament rules it's pretty clear it doesn't (discarded cards stay with the ship they're equipped to, either face down or tucked underneath in the case of dual cards). For non-tournament play, of course you can make whatever house rules you want.

I would think that once cloaking device is discarded it is no longer being fielded and you can swap a cloaking device. On to a different ship. But I think this requires an second cloaking device because the discarded one should stay equipped to the original ship.

On 6/14/2017 at 3:29 PM, digitalbusker said:

I do (the discarded card is still with the ship for scoring purposes, and still part of your squad), but I like the way you think.

For scoring purposes the card is certainly still with the ship. I'm just thinking that Cikatro doesn't specify where the replacement card comes from; even though it does specify that the replaced card must be face up. Is there any rules reason why he can't get your replacement Illicit from Guri's discard pile?

Guri doesn't have a discard pile. Guri has a ship card and some upgrade cards that may or may not be discarded.

If you can use Vizago to take an equipped but discarded card from a ship in play (or from a destroyed ship, for that matter) why not take a non discarded card from a non destroyed ship? Vizago doesn't say you can't do that, either.

40 minutes ago, digitalbusker said:

Guri doesn't have a discard pile. Guri has a ship card and some upgrade cards that may or may not be discarded.

If you can use Vizago to take an equipped but discarded card from a ship in play (or from a destroyed ship, for that matter) why not take a non discarded card from a non destroyed ship? Vizago doesn't say you can't do that, either.

Agreed, Cikatro does not say where you get the replacement card from and there's no precedent for card swapping that I'm aware of. Until FAQ/errata it's up to TO discretion or play group agreement. (Maybe an email ruling)

It only matters in the case of unique upgrades, are there any other unique Illicits or cargo? For now that's pure jank, and the only questionable swap I can think of, but you never know what future unique cards might be introduced. This same problem is vastly greater in the case of Azmorigan .

I suppose the heart of the question is whether or not a card can be reassigned from one ship to another during play.

On 12/06/2017 at 8:07 PM, InquisitorM said:

While Spacey is technically correct (the best kind of correct!),

Well, if we look at Azmorigan with Crew, logically you don't be able to equip another Dengar if he's already on the board in upgrade or pilot form.

Fielding a JM5K Dengar with C-ROC - "I'm going to use Azmorigan to equip Dengar to my C-ROC"

Riiiight.

1 hour ago, D00kies said:

Well, if we look at Azmorigan with Crew, logically you don't be able to equip another Dengar if he's already on the board in upgrade or pilot form.

Fielding a JM5K Dengar with C-ROC - "I'm going to use Azmorigan to equip Dengar to my C-ROC"

Riiiight.

No I wouldn't suggest that... I'm saying maybe it's possible to reassign Dengar (crew) from your party bus to the party Croc.

@nitrobenz I hear you, but there doesn't seem to be a mechanic to unequip the card from another ship. I'm guessing it's not a legal target to equip since there already is one fielded.

Here's some more reference material.

Rules Reference (aka semi-casual) has this to say on p.20 last entry under Upgrade Cards :

"When an Upgrade card is discarded, it is flipped facedown. The card is out of play for all purposes except when determining the total squad point cost of the ship to which it was equipped. If an Upgrade card is flipped faceup by a game effect, it returns to play equipped to the same ship."

By that wording a discarded card is no more in the game than the cards in your binder. My ruling of this would be after the Cloak fails on Guri it is definitely fair game for Cikatro

But! Also see this passage from Tournament Regulations 2.1 (the most current version as of June 2017) p.5 under Discarded Cards :

"Facedown Upgrade cards and Dual cards under Ship cards are out of play but remain equipped to their respective ships."

I am willing to admit that by this passage unique cards previously equipped and currently discarded are probably still off limits (but I'd still like a ruling explicitly stating that equipped cards are off limits for swaps)

TLDR: the rules are in fact different whether you're playing official or casual!

@D00kies @digitalbusker what do you guys think of these citations?

@nitrobenz Ah, I was speaking of not being able to activate Cikatro while CD is still face up.

Equipping it while your boardstate doesn't have one "in play" sounds cool to me, long as it's 1 on the board Tournament Regulations p.5 could prevent that, though. Thanks for bringing up the rule references

@nitrobenz I agree with your interpretation of those citations. I tend to play by the tournament rules even outside of tournaments, so I don't have to keep track of the differences. But other people are free to play as they wish in casual environments.