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i guess honor running decks wouldn't run it? maybe? but everyone else will put in as many copies as possible.

3 minutes ago, cielago said:

i guess honor running decks wouldn't run it? maybe? but everyone else will put in as many copies as possible.

I don't know that an honor deck wouldn't run it. Keeping Hotaru around another turn is a potent honor-gaining strategy if you ask me. Probably run fewer for honor than a for a military deck, though.

7 minutes ago, cielago said:

i guess honor running decks wouldn't run it? maybe? but everyone else will put in as many copies as possible.

You got it backwards. Decks that bid low will play this to keep their high value engine personalities around.

should work now. Sorry yall

It's a very interesting card but it might be potentially unplayable during an honor mirror match! Actually, I think people might generally bed low in the game after turn 1 or 2 which would also greatly limit this card. To be perfectly honest, it might find the most usage in a Scorpion discard deck that forces the opponent to bid higher either because they have no hand, are lower on cards, or because of another card effect (i.e. think of the manipulator but forces the opponent's bid to be 1 higher).

18 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

It's a very interesting card but it might be potentially unplayable during an honor mirror match! Actually, I think people might generally bed low in the game after turn 1 or 2 which would also greatly limit this card. To be perfectly honest, it might find the most usage in a Scorpion discard deck that forces the opponent to bid higher either because they have no hand, are lower on cards, or because of another card effect (i.e. think of the manipulator but forces the opponent's bid to be 1 higher).

Very well said.

I suspect that when Scorpion Clan cards begin to be seen, this card will be an auto-include given their (presumed) deck theme. And note, it says honor bid, which would presume that we have yet to see further Scorpion Clan mechanics that will elevate this card in its usage.

Love this card.

15 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

It's a very interesting card but it might be potentially unplayable during an honor mirror match! Actually, I think people might generally bed low in the game after turn 1 or 2 which would also greatly limit this card. To be perfectly honest, it might find the most usage in a Scorpion discard deck that forces the opponent to bid higher either because they have no hand, are lower on cards, or because of another card effect (i.e. think of the manipulator but forces the opponent's bid to be 1 higher).

That's also my assumption. When your opponent notices you're bidding low for honor they're likely to also start bidding low which limits the usefulness of this card for honor runners.

If your opponent is to consistently outbid you and you're going for honor you're probably fine already

2 minutes ago, Reiga said:

That's also my assumption. When your opponent notices you're bidding low for honor they're likely to also start bidding low which limits the usefulness of this card for honor runners.

If your opponent is to consistently outbid you and you're going for honor you're probably fine already

Yes, but this card can be used by any single Clan, thus even Crab (for example) might get good mileage out of it.

I suspect that Hida Kisada loves seeing some Good Omens before stomping my face in..

multiple of these in a single low-bid turn is very economical.

That is one happy frog. I'm guessing he hasn't helped the Scorpion across the stream yet. Bud...weis...er.

Equal bid - your opponent isn't outdrawing you, which given that Crane wants to play "face-up" and Lion certainly seems to want to, seems like it could be worth having a blank card in hand for those clans. Drawing multiples could be pretty bad.

Lower bid, but you don't have a target - You are getting outdrawn and have a blank card. This is a pretty bad situation, and terrible with multiples.

Lower bid, and you have a target - If you use this during your opponent's Water conflict to protect the only good target, this is a high value play. If you play it after your opponent's Void conflict, it will certainly seem like a value play. Otherwise it generally has zero value on the current turn and so needs to be giving you very high value on the extra turn it gives you. A clan champion or Lion's Pride Brawler are great targets. Akodo General and Asahina Storyteller are solid targets. I don't know if the other 3+ cost characters we've seen are high enough value to justify it, unless they are honored or have attachments.

Because of all the times this card is blank and the fact you really don't want to get stuck with multiples. I don't think you ever want to run the full playset. It's almost certainly worse than Reprieve. It's sometimes going to be very good, but I think we need to see how bid levels typically pan out before we can say if those good times will happen often enough to run it.

13 minutes ago, williamobrien said:

Equal bid - your opponent isn't outdrawing you, which given that Crane wants to play "face-up" and Lion certainly seems to want to, seems like it could be worth having a blank card in hand for those clans. Drawing multiples could be pretty bad.

Lower bid, but you don't have a target - You are getting outdrawn and have a blank card. This is a pretty bad situation, and terrible with multiples.

Lower bid, and you have a target - If you use this during your opponent's Water conflict to protect the only good target, this is a high value play. If you play it after your opponent's Void conflict, it will certainly seem like a value play. Otherwise it generally has zero value on the current turn and so needs to be giving you very high value on the extra turn it gives you. A clan champion or Lion's Pride Brawler are great targets. Akodo General and Asahina Storyteller are solid targets. I don't know if the other 3+ cost characters we've seen are high enough value to justify it, unless they are honored or have attachments.

Because of all the times this card is blank and the fact you really don't want to get stuck with multiples. I don't think you ever want to run the full playset. It's almost certainly worse than Reprieve. It's sometimes going to be very good, but I think we need to see how bid levels typically pan out before we can say if those good times will happen often enough to run it.

*slap* You forgot the Wandering Ronin! People are going crazy over it's interaction! Some are even saying it breaks the ronin!

43 minutes ago, williamobrien said:

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Because of all the times this card is blank and the fact you really don't want to get stuck with multiples. I don't think you ever want to run the full playset. It's almost certainly worse than Reprieve. It's sometimes going to be very good, but I think we need to see how bid levels typically pan out before we can say if those good times will happen often enough to run it.

So its only a matter of how many Omens you are going to include in your deck, 1 or 2 or 3.

29 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

*slap* You forgot the Wandering Ronin! People are going crazy over it's interaction! Some are even saying it breaks the ronin!

LOL!!!!

It has to be!

We'll have to see more cards....but I would rather just do a better job planning out my plays and have a conflict card in my hand that can turn the tide of battle.

I really really like this.

My favorite part? Encourages you to play big characters. That is something that, so far, I've felt like this game hasn't shown us yet :).

Keep the spoilers coming! The more I learn about this game, the better it gets!

Great tree frog art! You can tell that it's a tree frog because of the way it is.

Does the fate come from your personal pool or from the bank?

1 minute ago, shineyorkboy said:

Does the fate come from your personal pool or from the bank?

Obviously.

Spend a conflict card for conditional economy boost?

Hmmm... in the past conflict-side ("fate-side" in O5R) economy boosters could be pretty powerful, but I wonder if the conditions here will limit its usefulness.

5 minutes ago, shineyorkboy said:

Does the fate come from your personal pool or from the bank?

I assume the bank, but I could be wrong.

6 hours ago, cielago said:

i guess honor running decks wouldn't run it? maybe? but everyone else will put in as many copies as possible.

Dont forget duelling also uses the bud mechanic. Clans that duel might have 2 moments in a turn to play this card.