5 hours ago, Stoneface said:

So, given that the error wasn't caught unti after distribution, would you rather forego buying the ship, buy it and shelve it waiting for the announcement that the new bases are in, or buy it and live with FFGs fix? For me the answer was a no brainer. I'll mark a midline and field the C-ROC and be able to use it either way. Very little fuss.

What you consider a lazy fix was expedient.

You make it sound like they could not do a reprint of those bases, distribute it via their distribution network and require a proof of purchase token to trade it in, all while the temporary fix is in place. That totally is an options. But like editing their actual work or having a QA worth their salt, this is considered not worth the effort, because the customer base are accepting less and when you accept less, you get less. ;-)

And I am no exception to this, I never intent to play with my C-ROC anyway and purely bought it for the showcase. Unlike with the raider or rebel transport, I did not even wanted a single card out of the box, it's just the mainstream cruiser for FFGSWRPG groups and thus I wanted one for the showcase as memento. With 90+% of the epic purchases never intended for play, epic rules, missing point cost, not updated FAQ nor the rules dealing with incompatible combos and cards … it all does not matter at all. The only thing which might be relevant is card quality and model quality for those epic ships, because if a showpiece is broken people get pissed and if their cards become unusable, people might get pissed too. ;-)

2 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

The only thing which might be relevant is card quality and model quality for those epic ships, because if a showpiece is broken people get pissed and if their cards become unusable, people might get pissed too. ;-)

I get you. Out of the 130 some ships I have purchased, only the epic ones have had quality issues. My CR90 the engine popped off right out of the box, the Raider has slightly warped wings, the Transport is fine but it's a single piece of plastic, the Gonzati the radar dish falls right off, and I know I am not the only one with these issues. Easy fixes, sure. The fact it's a premium priced product and I have to, no sorry not acceptable. Would it be cool if your new Ferrari had a scratch in it right out of the factory? You could buff that **** out, it's cool right?

6 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

Would it be cool if your new Ferrari had a scratch in it right out of the factory? You could buff that **** out, it's cool right?

This one of the first things that came into my mind: what if, due to whatever reasons, a production batch of cars got delivered with some dents and scratches (or whatever minor issues) and, instead of recalling them, the manufacturer simply issued an online errata to the user manual stating 'might have dents and scratches upon delivery'.

How many people would consider that acceptable?

This is hilarious. The image in the article with the blue line is not the C-Roc base. The image in the same article with the actual C-Roc base` has no blue line. Settle down. MAYBE it wasn't a mistake.

2 hours ago, LordFajubi said:

I get you. Out of the 130 some ships I have purchased, only the epic ones have had quality issues. My CR90 the engine popped off right out of the box, the Raider has slightly warped wings, the Transport is fine but it's a single piece of plastic, the Gonzati the radar dish falls right off, and I know I am not the only one with these issues. Easy fixes, sure. The fact it's a premium priced product and I have to, no sorry not acceptable. Would it be cool if your new Ferrari had a scratch in it right out of the factory? You could buff that **** out, it's cool right?

I'm with you on the whole quality of Epic ships thing
all of mine are imperfect in some simple way
i have
1xCR90 6 engines out of skew, which i had to remove and refix
2x Raiders warped wings on both that i'm having difficulty to fixing
2x Gozanti yeah the radar dishes fall off with a sneeze, one whilst unboxing on christmas day (thanks for that)
2x GR75 a couple of the containers stuck on below keep falling off and need refixing
now in australia these cost a **** load of cash
i'm about to buy a CROC KNOWING that its a imperfect product
it would have been 2 but i know its buggered so why should i
incorrect base template and no range 4-5 ruler included for an Epic ship ???
yeah i can ask for a replacement through support etc but why the hell should i wait weeks to get something i just paid for ???
all i want is FFG NOT to become GW and get complacent because people buy the product regardless of quality
FFG, fix your **** and quality test your product before we have to pay for your mistakes
it's really not much to ask
some of your paint jobs are crap and not consistent with your other models purchased at the same time
why do you think people repaint your models so much ??
i do mine to make them look like the images on pilot cards
the rest get repainted because they look ****

FBJ

For those suggesting that the lack of blue line was intentional...

Maybe the rules are a misprint and the base is correct?

On 6/9/2017 at 1:54 PM, tortugatron said:

It's only epic. Who cares. Model looks great.

A lot of people. But I am losing faith that Epic ships are anything more than a way to issue a small ship fix in a big box.

13 hours ago, LordBlades said:

It's a sound business decision (short term at least). What it's not is good customer service.

In truth, I would have even been more OK with "Oops. You will need to draw a blue line. We will fix it on the next print run."

4 hours ago, faceyfood said:

Maybe the rules are a misprint and the base is correct?

Yeah, well either way it is a mistake.

Actually now that I have the model in hand and see the shape of it I probably won't draw a line in and just adhere to the FAQ. Plus as OP pointed out the margin of difference in line of sight is pretty minimal.

12 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

Actually now that I have the model in hand and see the shape of it I probably won't draw a line in and just adhere to the FAQ. Plus as OP pointed out the margin of difference in line of sight is pretty minimal.

I think the thing that really bends me the most is simply that in a game that has out of hand errata, this needlessly adds one more line item.

Speaking of quality: Fun anecdote.

As my RPG group is using the C-ROC as operation base of the group and we had to break a blockade by a imperial raider with a rebel convoy, I had the opportunity to use my epic ships for the literal second time ever. GR-75, Raider, C-ROC, a bunch of fighters, all in action as placeholder for the RPG action. Cool and all, but naturally one of the epic stands broke at the tip of the peg. FFG quality at its best. Oh and the fuse of the M3A was aligned in a 60° angle away from the forward direction right out of the fresh C-ROC box, better than one of my HWKs which is turned 180°, but they, epic quality, epic. ;-)

And yet, here I am still buying their ****. ;-)

You have a Hawk flying backwards? I'd buy that.

I will say something nice today; in this thread: The C-ROC model is beautiful.

1 hour ago, lazycomet said:

I will say something nice today; in this thread: The C-ROC model is beautiful.

And this is why I am still buying their ****.
(And why I not feeling it with Armada)

@costi Just the model alignment, not the dial. Could always turn the peg, but I an A-Wing and Y-Wing who needed re-attaching the fuse after being turned that way, so I left it, 180 degrees means just that I have to put the cardboard and firing arc away from the arrow on the base and everything works just fine ;-)

15 hours ago, lazycomet said:

I will say something nice today; in this thread: The C-ROC model is beautiful.

Oh yes!

Clandestine Rendezvous...

It looks a bit too glossy plastic in reality, but one wash should solve that. And the pegs sit really, really tight, had to rasp them down slightly to get them in at all. Someone wrote that (s)he got 3 plastic dial inner parts, same with mine.

As for the blue line. Some of the playtesters are well known names in the scene. Probably they have written under a confidentiality line, but if not one of them might comment on if the blue line was intentionally not there.

7 hours ago, Managarmr said:

Oh yes!

Clandestine Rendezvous...

It looks a bit too glossy plastic in reality, but one wash should solve that. And the pegs sit really, really tight, had to rasp them down slightly to get them in at all. Someone wrote that (s)he got 3 plastic dial inner parts, same with mine.

As for the blue line. Some of the playtesters are well known names in the scene. Probably they have written under a confidentiality line, but if not one of them might comment on if the blue line was intentionally not there.

Mine is en-route, can't wait to get it. How long is the C-ROC? From your pic it looks about 11" long.

On 6/9/2017 at 3:15 PM, Parakitor said:

On the contrary, virtually all images of the C-ROC on announcement articles show no blue line. The only exceptions have the C-ROC model superimposed on a Gozanti base. So they've likely been aware for sometime, even before they went into packaging, but couldn't do anything about it. Idle speculation, anyway. Your other points are well said.

I'm not buying this thing anyway, but I'm satisfied with the work around. I'm just hoping people at my shop start getting excited to try some Epic now!

Yes, and you may have just hit on the source of the error. In the pre-production work no doubt images were produced that did not have the blue line, at some point its very likely that one of these images was substituted for the production image in error and sent to the printing plant. The printers dont change art that they are submitted, they will run several test versions and submit those samples back to the art departments for approvals or changes. I would speculate that during one of these sample checks an older image without the blue line was sent back to the printer and thats what they ran with to press. Yes I am speculating because I assumed that the entire production and packaging took place in China so the first time the FFG staff saw the completed runs was in a warehouse prior to distribution. I would expect them to do quality control in the warehouse by taking random samples of the ready to ship product and checking it, at that point they discover the missing line and do a collective WTF? Then its back to the offices to have some meetings and figure out what to do before they have to begin shipping.

At any rate my point is that stuff happens and people need to understand that at a point in the process it becomes impossible to fix it by starting over. You have to come up with a workaround and go form there.

12 hours ago, Managarmr said:

Oh yes!

Clandestine Rendezvous...

It looks a bit too glossy plastic in reality, but one wash should solve that. And the pegs sit really, really tight, had to rasp them down slightly to get them in at all. Someone wrote that (s)he got 3 plastic dial inner parts, same with mine.

Yeah, got as well 3 plastic dial inner parts. Makes me wonder who the guys are who got just one. ;-)

On 2017-06-13 at 10:04 PM, Bullox said:

Mine is en-route, can't wait to get it. How long is the C-ROC? From your pic it looks about 11" long.

About: Length 27,5cm (10.83inches), Width 10 (3.94), Height 8 (3.15)

Here's my BLUE LINE (and my Nashtah Pup conversion/repaint; and my YV-666 repaint):

57 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

About: Length 27,5cm (10.83inches), Width 10 (3.94), Height 8 (3.15)

Thanks. I think that's a good size, it fits into the "medium" Huge ship slot for S&V.

I'm hoping each faction gets a "small", "medium" and "large" Huge/Epic ship.

That means Rebels still need a "medium" (Hammerhead)

S&V needs a "small" (Wild Karrde) and a "large" (Crusader Corvette)

Imperials need a "small" (?)