21 hours ago, Kanpeki said:

Hmmm...anyone else think the "CST" time zone notation is one of FFG's legendary website article typos? Everything else on GenCon's website has always been "starting at noon EST" -- at least it was last month for the first round of event tickets...

They edited their article and changed CST to "Central" (as a way of confirmation that it isn't a typo).

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Tickets will go on sale at 12:00 p.m. Central on Sunday, June 11th on a first come, first serve basis via Gen Con’s website here.

FFG typically does everything in CST. Each of the L5R Live Stream announcements at the end of Banzai! and Pinnacle of Perfection announced the air time at CST as well.

So I think it's relatively safe to say the time to purchase tickets will be 1 pm ET.

49 minutes ago, Kakita Katai said:

Because of the reboot of L5R and the huge tournament, I am going to try to snag a seat in the tourneys myself and make my 1st Gencon. It has been on my bucket list for twenty years.

That's why I am finally going too.

1 minute ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

They edited their article and changed CST to "Central" (as a way of confirmation that it isn't a typo).

FFG typically does everything in CST. Each of the L5R Live Stream announcements at the end of Banzai! and Pinnacle of Perfection announced the air time at CST as well.

So I think it's relatively safe to say the time to purchase tickets will be 1 pm ET.

Which makes sense since Central is their time zone after all.

32 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

Which makes sense since Central is their time zone after all.

It makes sense for them to use the US Central timezone. What doesn't make sense is using CST while daylight saving time is in effect.

It's just central time in the article. no longer says standard or daylight savings. I personally despise it and say leave the **** clocks alone. It's a pointless exercise twice a year.

3 minutes ago, Khudzlin said:

It makes sense for them to use the US Central timezone. What doesn't make sense is using CST while daylight saving time is in effect.

I don't think I've really ever seen CST changed to anything during daylight saving time.

or EST for that matter.

14 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

I don't think I've really ever seen CST changed to anything during daylight saving time.

or EST for that matter.

Supposed to be EDT and CDT I believe, but not maybe people use that.

I've noticed people often use EST, CST and PST regardless of whether daylight savings time is active or not.

This is likely because people aren't 100% sure if the "fall back" turns on daylight savings time or turns it off.

Daylight savings time is a relic from the World Wars that should be discarded. It would make things so much simpler, as it doesn't actually help anything anymore.

Just now, Mirith said:

Supposed to be EDT and CDT I believe, but not maybe people use that.

I mean, I get the logic, but this is the first time I've ever seen EDT or CDT.

12 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

I mean, I get the logic, but this is the first time I've ever seen EDT or CDT.

I honestly could not tell you which is EDT and which is EST. I just have seen the reference occasionally. I THINK the D is during the actual "savings" time, when it is active, and the S is not. But I also can't tell you when that is.

As many have stated, daylight savings time is dumb.

7 minutes ago, Mirith said:

Supposed to be EDT and CDT I believe, but not maybe people use that.

I was a web developer working on upgrading some site functions to include different time zones after the company I worked for expanded beyond just our region, and yeah, EST vs EDT is vitally important. Though, I can understand if most people who haven't gone through similar headaches probably don't really care.

Word of advice to anyone dealing with timestamps: convert all your timestamps to UTC at the time of saving, rather than just saving them as local time (without any associated time zone codes). The people who deal with the code after you leave for a more lucrative job will be happy you did.

Just now, Mirith said:

I honestly could not tell you which is EDT and which is EST. I just have seen the reference occasionally. I THINK the D is during the actual "savings" time, when it is active, and the S is not. But I also can't tell you when that is.

As many have stated, daylight savings time is dumb.

D is Daylight, S is Standard. Daylight is in the summer, and Standard is in the winter.

1 minute ago, JJ48 said:

I was a web developer working on upgrading some site functions to include different time zones after the company I worked for expanded beyond just our region, and yeah, EST vs EDT is vitally important. Though, I can understand if most people who haven't gone through similar headaches probably don't really care.

Word of advice to anyone dealing with timestamps: convert all your timestamps to UTC at the time of saving, rather than just saving them as local time (without any associated time zone codes). The people who deal with the code after you leave for a more lucrative job will be happy you did.

I do FW stuff, and we always do this, except for the one time where we needed to predict sunrise and sunset via GPS + Time. That was awful. And I think it still breaks on every change over.

32 minutes ago, Mirith said:

I honestly could not tell you which is EDT and which is EST. I just have seen the reference occasionally. I THINK the D is during the actual "savings" time, when it is active, and the S is not. But I also can't tell you when that is.

As many have stated, daylight savings time is dumb.

The confusion increases when you realize that, for European time zones, you add an S during summer. WET, CET and EET (Western, Central and Eastern European Time, respectively) become WEST, CEST and EEST (the S stands for Summer). Also, Europe does it less dumbly than North America, because we all change the clocks at the same real time, so we keep the same differences throughout the year (rather than the same clock time, which results in variable differences).

54 minutes ago, Khudzlin said:

The confusion increases when you realize that, for European time zones, you add an S during summer. WET, CET and EET (Western, Central and Eastern European Time, respectively) become WEST, CEST and EEST (the S stands for Summer). Also, Europe does it less dumbly than North America, because we all change the clocks at the same real time, so we keep the same differences throughout the year (rather than the same clock time, which results in variable differences).

I in no way will defend what the US does along these lines. I think it should be abolished world-wide.

3 hours ago, Kakita Katai said:

Because of the reboot of L5R and the huge tournament, I am going to try to snag a seat in the tourneys myself and make my 1st Gencon. It has been on my bucket list for twenty years.

Just remember to buy your badge before the Sunday rush. You can't buy tickets to events without a badge.

3 hours ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

I've noticed people often use EST, CST and PST regardless of whether daylight savings time is active or not.

This is likely because people aren't 100% sure if the "fall back" turns on daylight savings time or turns it off.

Daylight savings time is a relic from the World Wars that should be discarded. It would make things so much simpler, as it doesn't actually help anything anymore.

I don't disagree with you, but Daylight Saving Time has some proponents with deep pockets: retailers it was primarily through their efforts that DST was extended a few years ago.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/us/daylight-saving-time-farmers.amp.html

I work in IT and study history as a hobby. Daylight savings time was originally proposed by Benjamin Franklin to increase the amount of useful work hours there were in a day. This was not adopted in the US until the 20th Century. The existence of time zones is to simplify relational experiences in regards to time. No matter where you are in the, with some exceptions, the sun comes up at roughly the same local time, and goes down at roughly the same local time. Having the same time and eliminating time zones does not eliminate the need to know the time differences between locations. At 0800 in one place in the world they may be working, but in another they may be sleeping. To know this you would have to factor in the time difference to the time, calculating the reference local time. If you would still do this, there is no benefit to eliminating time zones. When I am talking to someone from a different part of the world and say I was awake at 0100, they may not easily determine that I awake late because 0100 to them is standard daylight hours. To them I would seem crazy to think that was an abnormal thing if they didn't do the conversion. In todays interconnected world this cross world communications is more and more common. Where it is easy to state in a cross world communication the time x CST. With them being from say Japan know immediately that they need to do time conversion potentially to stay on the same page of the conversation.

As argued above there is a benefit to time stamping in one time, but this benefit is limited to only some industries such as IT. This timestamping also benefits from using 24 hour clock as well, instead of 12 hour duplicated clock.

19 minutes ago, HidaYama said:

As argued above there is a benefit to time stamping in one time, but this benefit is limited to only some industries such as IT. This timestamping also benefits from using 24 hour clock as well, instead of 12 hour duplicated clock.

Sure, but I was arguing against DST, not timezones. Though now I will argue against timezones.

I think there was actually a pretty detailed analysis of the productivity lost by having Timezones, rather than one single world-time. Your example, while problematic, isn't as big a deal (happens less often, isn't as impactful on real schedules) as scheduling a meeting between the East coast of the US, West Coast of US, and Japan and knowing that everyone knows when to show up. Look how stressed out people get by "What time does it open for me?" If everyone was on the same clock, it wouldn't be a question. They would know "It is <this time>, let me set an alarm".

The real problem with anything like this is getting people on-board. Look at the US and Metric units. I think it will be less of a problem once space travel is a thing, and then you have completely different

Also, Woohoo, more seats! (Back to derailing the conversation, and uselessly arguing on the internet)

A buddy and I are flying across the country to attend our first Gencon, mainly for the release of L5R. While it will still be a ton of fun either way, nabbing some tickets to the tournament would be super neat

6 hours ago, Daigotsu Kai'Sen said:

A buddy and I are flying across the country to attend our first Gencon, mainly for the release of L5R. While it will still be a ton of fun either way, nabbing some tickets to the tournament would be super neat

Do you think you will still attend the matsuri part of the event if you are unable to acquire tickets into the tournament?

Firstly, I really hope that everyone still wanting a ticket gets one. Failing that, I hope they get in with generics. Failing THAT, I truly hope all Five Rings fans at the convention gather for at least the opening ceremony...this really does look like history in the making, and as many people as possible should be a part of it.

With 354 more seats I really hope we all get in! The Matsuri needs to be epic!

I'm slightly bummed that they're not keeping original submission order but my excitement for new tickets far outweighs that feeling.

Was it ever confirmed that the matsuri itself was open to general attendees? The article makes it sounds like it could be, but the wording is highly ambiguous.

On 09/06/2017 at 10:50 PM, Mirith said:

Sure, but I was arguing against DST, not timezones. Though now I will argue against timezones.

Well, I think the main problem with timezones is how capriciously they are set up. There are timezones with quarter-hour differences, and places that really should be in a different timezone (assuming one timezone roughly every 15°).

Also, the 12-hour clock is pure bull, especially with 12 coming before 1 in each half. It makes no more sense than the month/day/year date format.