And here I was thinking "yay, at least we'll get some Kylo clarifications before store champs this weekend..." but no. Still don't really know whose damage deck the card comes from, or what happens if you search for a crit that's not there, or what happens if there are no pilot crits left...

I guess it was a bit much to ask for the FAQ to answer any questions.

12 minutes ago, Ailowynn said:

And here I was thinking "yay, at least we'll get some Kylo clarifications before store champs this weekend..." but no. Still don't really know whose damage deck the card comes from, or what happens if you search for a crit that's not there, or what happens if there are no pilot crits left...

I guess it was a bit much to ask for the FAQ to answer any questions.

I realize these things are not explicitly stated anywhere, but there are practical answers to your questions. Maybe this will suffice, since it isn't in the FAQ?

Damage Cards are always dealt from the deck of the player the ship belongs to. Why would you let a condition card mess that up?

If the crit you want isn't in the deck, either the deck is illegal or the card was already dealt. You can't look at facedown damage cards that were already dealt, so you shouldn't accuse a player of having an illegitimate damage deck unless there aren't any cards already dealt to account for.

If there are no pilot crits left, and no ships have been destroyed, then you can't resolve the condition. If there are destroyed ships, you could reshuffle those cards into the deck, just like running out of damage cards completely.

23 minutes ago, jmswood said:

I realize these things are not explicitly stated anywhere, but there are practical answers to your questions. Maybe this will suffice, since it isn't in the FAQ?

Damage Cards are always dealt from the deck of the player the ship belongs to. Why would you let a condition card mess that up?

If the crit you want isn't in the deck, either the deck is illegal or the card was already dealt. You can't look at facedown damage cards that were already dealt, so you shouldn't accuse a player of having an illegitimate damage deck unless there aren't any cards already dealt to account for.

If there are no pilot crits left, and no ships have been destroyed, then you can't resolve the condition. If there are destroyed ships, you could reshuffle those cards into the deck, just like running out of damage cards completely.

It would just be nice to have some official clarification. What happens, for example, if I search a deck for Blinded Pilot, but both of them have already been dealt? Do I have to search for a different Pilot crit? Or can I take a different action, instead? What if there simply aren't any pilot crits -- did I waste my action, or do I get another one? Personally, based on the precedents set with other actions, I'd tend to say that if you don't find the crit you're looking, you can Kylo for a different crit or choose a different action; but that's just me. I can see other arguments being made, and it would have been nice to get some clarification on this card, since it's kinda confusing and fairly common.

6 minutes ago, Ailowynn said:

It would just be nice to have some official clarification. What happens, for example, if I search a deck for Blinded Pilot, but both of them have already been dealt? Do I have to search for a different Pilot crit? Or can I take a different action, instead? What if there simply aren't any pilot crits -- did I waste my action, or do I get another one? Personally, based on the precedents set with other actions, I'd tend to say that if you don't find the crit you're looking, you can Kylo for a different crit or choose a different action; but that's just me. I can see other arguments being made, and it would have been nice to get some clarification on this card, since it's kinda confusing and fairly common.

You first take a deck, see what pilot crits are left and then pick one. You don't call the card before looking at the opponents deck. That's how tutoring works.

Wow that C-ROC "fix". It's an obvious error. Okay then. It's easier to call the back end now. I guess it didn't matter that much.

44 minutes ago, Ailowynn said:

It would just be nice to have some official clarification. What happens, for example, if I search a deck for Blinded Pilot, but both of them have already been dealt? Do I have to search for a different Pilot crit? Or can I take a different action, instead? What if there simply aren't any pilot crits -- did I waste my action, or do I get another one? Personally, based on the precedents set with other actions, I'd tend to say that if you don't find the crit you're looking, you can Kylo for a different crit or choose a different action; but that's just me. I can see other arguments being made, and it would have been nice to get some clarification on this card, since it's kinda confusing and fairly common.

It's stated right on the I'll Show You the Dark Side Condition card. "When this card is assigned, if it is not already in play, the player who assigned it searches the damage deck for 1 Damage card with the Pilot trait and may place it faceup on this card." Don't read too much into it and do simply what the card says. The card doesn't mention anything about ensuring you get a particular Pilot card that you want. It clearly states search for 1 Damage card with the Pilot header.

However, you do bring up an interesting point. What if you go to assign the condition card and all of the Pilot damage cards are already assigned or dealt out? It's very, very unlikely, but anything is possible.

But now as I'm typing this I'm totally questioning the wording on the card and I could be completely wrong and Ailowynn is totally right. Why does it say " may place it faceup on this card?" Is it kind of like when wanting to barrel roll to the left and once you try to and can't because an obstacle is in the way, you get to take back that barrel roll action and do another action instead? So, if I want Blinded Pilot and it's not in the deck, can I take back my Kylo Ren crew card action?

5 hours ago, defkhan1 said:

CROC fore and aft sections are now separated by the firing arc (which really just sounds like "we screwed up but don't feel like printing replacement bases for everyone").

5 hours ago, Phoenix5454 said:

this makes no sense...? Why would the Gozanti have a blue dividing line but the C-ROC doesn't...? Definitely sounds like a "whoops" to me lol

Certainly this is inconsistent with the Gozanti. Using the reinforce action may become an easier choice. Is this going to be balanced by the damage deck though? You're more likely now to get damage and crits on the rear section and there is a bigger variety of critical card effects for the rear section - could be harder to plan for? Could be a blessing and a curse.

8 minutes ago, Sasajak said:

Is this going to be balanced by the damage deck though?

Almost certainly not, since this was clearly a hasty patch to deal with a screw up in the graphic design and so no one decided this was going to happen until a couple days ago.

The main thing to note is that this makes the C-ROC far more vulnerable when approached in a joust. The original perpendicular blue line made it so it was fairly difficult to be able to target both sections of the ship simultaneously. You'd have to be facing the side of the ship. Using the angled firing arc as the separator makes it so it's a lot easier to target both sections in a head-on joust. This is important because it acts as a soft nerf to the Reinforce action: If I choose to Reinforce the fore section, my opponent can just draw line of sight to the aft section and declare the aft, with no Reinforce token, as his target. Normally line of sight would be blocked by the perpendicular blue line, but with the angled firing arc it's far easier to draw line of sight to the aft. Of course I can choose to Reinforce the aft instead, but then my opponent can just shoot the fore and I'm screwed once again.

Good thing it has a 360 Hardpoint. This probably pigeon holes it, though.

BTW what's with all the grammatical errors on the C-ROC FAQ? It's like someone typed it under a minute while they were getting off of work :/

So FFG nerfed c-roc before it has do out! This is epic!

Still going to draw a blue line on mine. I only play Epic casually anyway and I think everyone at the table will like that solution better.

4 hours ago, skins1924 said:

This is not a good sign for the future of the game. Play testing and QA missed a fire/aft section line before it went to production and its handled with an FAQ. Who are the designers listed on the insert?

The as far as I know, pay-testing is done with placeholders, not the actual product, since said product has jet to be made. So it is not that surprising that they would not catch it at that stage.

1 hour ago, D00kies said:

Good thing it has a 360 Hardpoint. This probably pigeon holes it, though.

BTW what's with all the grammatical errors on the C-ROC FAQ? It's like someone typed it under a minute while they were getting off of work :/

21 minutes ago, Duskwalker said:

The as far as I know, pay-testing is done with placeholders, not the actual product, since said product has jet to be made. So it is not that surprising that they would not catch it at that stage.

Yup. Playtesters for the C-ROC were probably using Gozantis with different stats. On Vassal.

Aww, they broke the Aggressor

4 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

Almost certainly not, since this was clearly a hasty patch to deal with a screw up in the graphic design and so no one decided this was going to happen until a couple days ago.

I was clutching at straws

4 hours ago, Darth Onyx said:

So, if I want Blinded Pilot and it's not in the deck, can I take back my Kylo Ren crew card action?

No.

The action is to assign the I'll Show You The Dark Side condition card. Once assigned the action is complete.

Now that it has been assigned you search through the deck for the pilot crit of your choice. It it's not there, tough ****.

6 hours ago, defkhan1 said:

Huh? I'm just trying to understand your first statement.

In the rule supplement leaflet that comes in the expansion, the page that explains the set of rules not covered by the core rule-book, it mentions the blue line which there isn't any blue line.

6 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

Which is why he was asking you "What cards?"

okay, the damage deck for the C-Roc.

11 hours ago, rubberduck said:

Haha...

Yeah, when I first read over this I was like, " where the h*** is the other incoming nerfs to bring balance?? " But when I remembered the C-Roc pre-production review debacle and I now understand, they need that fix out now to sell the things so they're trying to be slick to cover that mistake up. That's why the bundled FAQ 4.3.3 looks so official and all that nonsense; typical business practice. Like when they up your medical co-pay or decrease the amount they pay into your 401K; they always hide it in a slick binder. We know you gotta balance the nerf, it's terribly apparent the game has massive broken pieces.

Still.....we wait.

But we're not idiots FFG....we'll, not complete idiots. Or.....sometimes not idiots?

12 hours ago, defkhan1 said:

...CROC fore and aft sections are now separated by the firing arc (which really just sounds like "we screwed up but don't feel like printing replacement bases for everyone"

Apology is all they can do; well, no apology, just a wink and a "here's how fore and aft it works on this exact ship" kinda thing. It's either expensive or near impossible to print anything post-production release. I guess they might correct most cards and cardboard on a reprint, but who knows how many incorrect C-ROCs they have to sell off before that happens, if ever. I don't know if the Gozanti was ever reprinted, there should be about the same amount of desire for such a thing; anyone know?

The line was there in early photos. I think the Production team messed up across the seas

"Misprints," as will be proven when you photograph your CROC basechit next to the Rebel and Imperial Transport basechits, are covered under Asmodee/FFG's Replacement Policy. So the good news is we can light up their inbox with PROPER Replacement Tickets. I'll be creating a Tutorial to assist the community. This will not be tolerated.

5 hours ago, Zazaa said:

[...]c-roc [...]This is epic!

Indeed, it is an epic ship.


^^