Th thing about BoShek is that it is more of a Bluffing game. (Henceforth he shall now be known as Bluff Shek).

Much like playing with a 6Sigma list (Sigma EhScopes, Intel and SPA) it is a very gimicky list that the gimick doesn't really do any damage (the primary objective of the game). Sure when everything aligns you can force a ship off the table, but you can also do that with ion or tractor beams. And Ion also adds damage while tractor beam makes it easier to get damage.

The biggest problem with BoShek is that it gives your opponent more control than it has any right to. Now since your opponent has to chose an adjacent maneuver it is likely your opponent will select a maneuver that not only best suits them, but also with an adjacent maneuver that does them no harm. So if you used BoShek they are ready, if you don't nothing worse.

Now if BoShek was the one to chose the maneuver some people might be crying all over the forum about how OP it is, and you would see him on Every Jumpmaster in the game.

19 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

I think it's just the complexity, paired with the uncertainty that he'll be beneficial. Using him well requires that:

1) Your opponent is in a position where an adjacent maneuver is much worse than the chosen maneuver.
2) They didn't anticipate your using BoShek.
3) You correctly anticipated their lack of anticipation OR correctly anticipated that they did anticipate you, and thus didn't use him.

4) You re-read the card and realize what word isn't there.

50 minutes ago, Quarrel said:

4) You re-read the card and realize what word isn't there.

You lost me.

12 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

You lost me.

BoShek isn't restricted to affecting enemy ships. You can also use him on your own (other) ships, as a wacky sort of Navigator or Stay On Target at the expense of an action, or even to do a red move while stressed. It's not a lot more, but you aren't limited purely to playing mind games.

15 minutes ago, Quarrel said:

BoShek isn't restricted to affecting enemy ships. You can also use him on your own (other) ships, as a wacky sort of Navigator or Stay On Target at the expense of an action, or even to do a red move while stressed. It's not a lot more, but you aren't limited purely to playing mind games.

Yeah, this is a useful use of Bo Shek, but the need to bump your own ship to do it is a huge penalty. Basically the only ship that can both hold Bo Shek and not massively care about bumping whilst still being likely to actually DO it is Oicunn. Even Expertise Dengar can't, as he needs his crew slot to get his rerolls.

Expertise Scum Boba, maybe?

Or Unkar Plutt I guess.

On Wednesday, June 07, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Princezilla said:

As the ancient posts claiming that Palpatine was to costly to ever be worth taking and those claiming that Mindlink was to gimmicky to ever see use out of casual play prove, this forum is absolute **** at predicting what will and won't be competitive.

You might be right about Palp but the mindlink argument is somewhat unfair. Mindlink lists feature almost exclusively jumpmasters, lancers and fangs. At the time when mindlink was first announced and discussed these ships were not available yet, so it's hard to blame people for failing to see viable uses for mindlink.

double post, sorry

1 minute ago, Lightrock said:

You might be right about Palp but the mindlink argument is somewhat unfair. Mindlink lists feature almost exclusively jumpmasters, lancers and fangs. At the time when mindlink was first announced and discussed these ships were not available yet, so it's hard to blame people for failing to see viable uses for mindlink.

The Jump was but Deadeye was Just Better at the time. And it's telling for the state of Scum at the time that Mindlink didn't take off on release. They had basically 0 good ships back then except the Jump.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

The Jump was but Deadeye was Just Better at the time.

Mindlink was introduced with jumpmaster, so technically speaking it wasn't out yet. Crucially, I don't think we already knew the dial at the time when mindlink was first discussed, though my memory is foggy and I might be wrong about that. And, as you pointed out, Deadeye was indeed better.

8 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yeah, this is a useful use of Bo Shek, but the need to bump your own ship to do it is a huge penalty. Basically the only ship that can both hold Bo Shek and not massively care about bumping whilst still being likely to actually DO it is Oicunn. Even Expertise Dengar can't, as he needs his crew slot to get his rerolls.

Expertise Scum Boba, maybe?

Or Unkar Plutt I guess.

Bomber shuttle dorsnt really care about bumping.

3 hours ago, BadMotivator said:

Bomber shuttle dorsnt really care about bumping.

Yeah, that's a good point. And has BR and a spare crew slot for Intel Agent. Whether it's worth 19 points to basically only do Bo Shek though it questionable.

On 6/8/2017 at 2:46 PM, Pewpewpew BOOM said:

Stay on Target and BoShek both come from Heaver winning Worlds and getting to catalyze a card design

And Boba Fett crew. He won three times, made three cards, BoShek is the third one.

Duplicate post.

Now let's see a build from Mr. Heaver that features all three of his cards...

Please and thank you

14 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

The Jump was but Deadeye was Just Better at the time. And it's telling for the state of Scum at the time that Mindlink didn't take off on release. They had basically 0 good ships back then except the Jump.

Exactly, the second they even just announced the protectorate fighters everyone was already thinking about mindlink ace lists. Old Man Rau was predicted ages before those ships got released and mindlink dominance started from there.

Not I admit, "no one" did see M3A mindlink lists winning stuff nor was 4 gand findsmen a no brainer with mindlink, but the general idea of mindlink lists was immediately there once scum got some decent small ships.

And btw, no one was in arms about Mindlink at the release of mindlink, because the forums were full with torp scout topics before the torp scouts were even released. There was clearly something with more priority when scum had no decent small ships, but a list with giant alpha strike ;-)

21 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yeah, that's a good pointb And has BR and a spare crew slot fo r Intel Agent. Whether it's worth 19 points to basically only do Bo Shek though it questionable.

I have a list with Vader and either Echo or Whisper plus the bomber. Been doing good so far. And waiting on a second phantom to try a version with bothecho and whisper.

On 6/8/2017 at 2:49 PM, Sasajak said:

Yeah wasn't Juno Eclipse the end of the world too?

Juno who?

Oh, right, the TIE advanced pilot...

On 7/6/2017 at 11:09 PM, Mef82 said:

BoShek would be cool in a meta that cared about bumps. But we have one with actionless mods, so go figure.

In fact, no. Boshek works about changing maneuvers, not bumping. Yes a ship can be action free, but if it can't see you because you change their maneuvers, Boshek still valuable.

You can think about screw up a Torpedoboat manuever. That mean no torpedo shots.

But Boshek still a bluf crew, and you need to be brave enough to carry him into a tournament, so..

How does BoShek interact with a zero maneuver dialed in on, say a U-Wing? If I BoShek a dial with a 0 showing, does that become a 1 straight?

2 minutes ago, Scopes said:

How does BoShek interact with a zero maneuver dialed in on, say a U-Wing? If I BoShek a dial with a 0 showing, does that become a 1 straight?

It becomes whatever is next to it on the dial. There are many situations where someone might be changing speeds if you BoShek them.

Just now, DR4CO said:

It becomes whatever is next to it on the dial. There are many situations where someone might be changing speeds if you BoShek them.

Right; 1 bank or 4 straight. Thanks for the clarification!

Holy Necro Post Batman!

This guy's at least asking an on-topic question rather than quoting a years-old post.

It's a fine line between being accused of necroing and being accused of not using the search function. Forum life is tough!

I bumped into him once, and he told me to go a different way.