8 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

We know what Kylo's pilot ability is. People complained about it, but it isnt exactly burning down the meta.

I'm thinking that his fighter flying ability will be different...

Just now, clanofwolves said:

I'm thinking that his fighter flying ability will be different...

Hera Syndula suggests otherwise.

17 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

The rebel symbol is on the base, frosted white while the other parts are clear. It is upside down relative to that picture, so that the "top" of the symbol is pointed kinda to 5 o,clock. It's hard to make out at first because the photo is so fuzzy, but once you see it you can't miss it.

Almost certainly. But I couldn't help making fun of Internet people who take the slightest irregularity and spin vast conspiracies out of them.

Clearly then with those markings, this is SSKRFOI (Sabine's Stolen Kylo Ren's First Order Interceptor)

3 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:

This is all great, just need a new title for the Interceptor. If she's got two shields, OK, as long as the dial is great; it should have at least what the Protectorate has. I'm thinking Kylo might not be a high PS, but he needs a wicked pilot ability...the Mouse will demand it for DVD and toy sales ?

He's already got an an ability and PS from the Upsilon.

4 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Has there been any confirmation as to the size of the craft? Is it for sure advanced sized or more like the aggressor (scum) gunship?

No, but it looks like a smaller craft and Empire just got another large base ship not too long ago, they tend to space them out a bit.

Anyway working off what I had and a bit of what was talked about I got:

The statline seems to be the most contentious point so here is my reasoning for each stat.

Attack: we have never had a ship that pointy/spikey that didn't have at least three attack dice.

Defence: it's a really sleek looking ship and dispite the fact that it used to be their faction trademark Empire haven't gotten a three dice defence ship since the FO and TAP in Wave 8.

Hull/Shields: this might be a bit of wishful thinking on my part, but it would really make it stand out as so far there are no Empire ships with more shields than hull and it gets across the fact that this is a very agile fragile craft that is protected by very advanced technology.

3 / 3 / 2 / 3

The dial might also be wishful thinking on my part but again I feel like it would really help the ship carve out a unique identity/role for itself among other TIEs.

Plus it just looks like it can go nyoom!

S1: Hard Left, Hard Right

S2: Hard Left, Left Bank, Straight, Right Bank, Hard Right

S3: Talon Roll Left, Hard Left, Left Bank, Straight, Right Bank, Hard Right, Talon Roll Right

S4: Straight

S5: Straight, K-turn

Actions courtesy of @DarthCognis

Boost, Barrel Roll, Focus, TL

Upgrades, I agree with @DarthCognis and @Viktus106 that it shouldn't have a packed bar just EPTs, Tech and Systems.

Pilots courtesy of @Viktus106

Inductee: PS1
Omega Squadron with EPT: PS4
Knight of Ren with EPT: PS5
Kylo Ren with EPT: PS6 (same ability though)
New Unique Snowflake with EPT: PS8

only issue here is that we can't have an odd number of pilots because of how baseplates work, so may lose the inductee and drop the Omega down to a three? Alternatively a PS 5 ace with no EPT but a really nifty/gimicky niche ability similar conceptually to Colzet, Wampa, and Jess Pava.

Points.. maybe 25 for the cheapest and 32-35 for the top ace, mid way between the Defender and the Interceptor/Advanced.

48 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

Hera Syndula suggests otherwise.

Yeah, but they've not gone to have their Jedi training completed; let's break with stale traditions.

1 hour ago, Princezilla said:

I'd say it's got the Interceptor's wings, the Phantom's cockpit, and the Advanced's body.

I'd say that's a bit sexist

1 hour ago, Rakaydos said:

Hera Syndula suggests otherwise.

Luke pilot and Luke crew are also different. Arguably Chewy, Han, Lando are as well, although they affect similar things, such as Chewy ignoring Crits vs cancelling a damage card

42 minutes ago, piznit said:

Luke pilot and Luke crew are also different. Arguably Chewy, Han, Lando are as well, although they affect similar things, such as Chewy ignoring Crits vs cancelling a damage card

Im not sure what your point Is. We know kylo ren as both crew and pilot.

10 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

Im not sure what your point Is. We know kylo ren as both crew and pilot.

Yeah, and the both do nearly the same thing, I don't see why it would change here.

Really, though, defensive ISYTDS will mean something different between a 1 agility shuttle and a high agility arcdodger, just like Zebs ability, though it doesnt change, is better on the rebel tiethan the attack shuttle.

1 hour ago, Calibri Garamond said:

I'd say that's a bit sexist

...I have no idea how I'm supposed to respond to that.

7 hours ago, Viktus106 said:

All that may be true but he also lost to a untrained, emotional wreck of a protagionist and has never been seen or heard of flying a fighter before.

You don't need training when you can mutter "The Force" and learn all your skills on the fly. Oh, and become a starship engineer by prying shiny trash off of crashed ships on Planet Afghanistan.

5 minutes ago, VaeVictis said:

You don't need training when you can mutter "The Force" and learn all your skills on the fly. Oh, and become a starship engineer by prying shiny trash off of crashed ships on Planet Afghanistan.

Yeah, or make an impossible shot, even though you aren't using targeting computer or even a trained combat pilot.

13 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Yeah, or make an impossible shot, even though you aren't using targeting computer or even a trained combat pilot.

Hey, if Rey had done something fanciful that she shouldn't have been able to do once , you write it off. The movie went out of its way to make sure she never faced adversity at any time. She learns to by an ace pilot within seconds of taking off, twisting and turning an awkwardly shaped freighter through the innards of a crashed Star Destroyer. She can fix the Millennium Falcon better than the guys who own it. Even the one time she looks like she might suffer adversity when she gets captured, it's actually only a plot device to show the next thing she's really good at, like learning how to mind trick and escaping custody. I mean, somebody should have told Luke it was so easy. They made an entire movie showing him be a screwup. He gets hazed by Yoda, Darth Vader humiliates him in a lightsaber duel, and then he loses his hand. I mean, Darth Vader got so bored of fighting Luke that he stopped, and decided to throw trash at him instead . If Luke had known the trick was to learn by emulation and mutter "The Force" things would have gone so much better for him.

Though, it all works out in the end. I mean, if Finn and Han had had to spend ten or fifteen minutes rescuing Rey, they'd have been late to blowing up the shield generator just in time for Poe to blow up Planet Death Star.

But, then again, we're talking about a script that had rewrites done and approval by the esteemed author of Gone Fishin' and Taking Care of Business.

1 hour ago, Princezilla said:

Take that whiney **** elsewhere, we're here to have fun and speculate on a future release not listen to you stand on your soapbox and complain about things which give people joy because they aren't to your personal taist.

Nice melty.

Don't forget she is an excellent saber duelist for no good reason. She's got weak *** character development. Oh well.

Anyway, THIS SHIP better have Kylo as a pilot and I hope it has the same pilot ability at PS 6. It will most likely have an agility/action bar/upgrade bar conducive to evading most attacks. Being able to punish those that hit you and, if they are a higher PS - immediately - blind them would be really fun.

Does anyone have alternate ideas for a dial? I like what I came up with but I haven't gotten any feedback.

7 hours ago, VaeVictis said:

Hey, if Rey had done something fanciful that she shouldn't have been able to do once , you write it off. The movie went out of its way to make sure she never faced adversity at any time. She learns to by an ace pilot within seconds of taking off, twisting and turning an awkwardly shaped freighter through the innards of a crashed Star Destroyer. She can fix the Millennium Falcon better than the guys who own it. Even the one time she looks like she might suffer adversity when she gets captured, it's actually only a plot device to show the next thing she's really good at, like learning how to mind trick and escaping custody. I mean, somebody should have told Luke it was so easy. They made an entire movie showing him be a screwup. He gets hazed by Yoda, Darth Vader humiliates him in a lightsaber duel, and then he loses his hand. I mean, Darth Vader got so bored of fighting Luke that he stopped, and decided to throw trash at him instead . If Luke had known the trick was to learn by emulation and mutter "The Force" things would have gone so much better for him.

Though, it all works out in the end. I mean, if Finn and Han had had to spend ten or fifteen minutes rescuing Rey, they'd have been late to blowing up the shield generator just in time for Poe to blow up Planet Death Star.

But, then again, we're talking about a script that had rewrites done and approval by the esteemed author of Gone Fishin' and Taking Care of Business.

Okay, multiple counts of BS here,

Rey is an established good pilot, she had hundreds of hours in the Simulator just like Luke did. You just didnt read her backstory. (and she tears apart the guts of starships for a living, she has THOUSANDS of hours of practice in that) + in combat its established that she has to protect herself from scavengers and gansters all the time, so she has serious street fighting experience in combat as well.

And Kylo ren kicked her *** when he captured her, and only lost the second fight because he was BLEEDING OUT from a bowcaster to the GUTS, you know, the same one that sends stormtroopers FLYING through the air with the velocity and power of the shot?

And you complain about her latent force powers after watching a new hope? Luke with barely a few HOURS of light saber training from been was able to pull of an impossible godshot with proton torpedoes without even using a targeting computer. Ask any fighter pilot how supremely insane and impossible that shot would be.

In short, new movie was at least as decent as A new hope, yet your totally fine with the blatant BS in that movie, in fact we star wars fans embrace the stupidity with parodys all the time, why cant you offer the same affection to a very similar movie?

2 minutes ago, DarthCognis said:

Okay, multiple counts of BS here,

Rey is an established good pilot, she had hundreds of hours in the Simulator just like Luke did. You just didnt read her backstory. (and she tears apart the guts of starships for a living, she has THOUSANDS of hours of practice in that) + in combat its established that she has to protect herself from scavengers and gansters all the time, so she has serious street fighting experience in combat as well.

And Kylo ren kicked her *** when he captured her, and only lost the second fight because he was BLEEDING OUT from a bowcaster to the GUTS, you know, the same one that sends stormtroopers FLYING through the air with the velocity and power of the shot?

And you complain about her latent force powers after watching a new hope? Luke with barely a few HOURS of light saber training from been was able to pull of an impossible godshot with proton torpedoes without even using a targeting computer. Ask any fighter pilot how supremely insane and impossible that shot would be.

In short, new movie was at least as decent as A new hope, yet your totally fine with the blatant BS in that movie, in fact we star wars fans embrace the stupidity with parodys all the time, why cant you offer the same affection to a very similar movie?

Rey actually had more prior training than Luke, she was using an actual training simulator while he was usually a speeder.

TFA did have it's fair share of issues but the core protagonists were not among those and were handled very well.

11 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

Hera Syndula suggests otherwise.

But Luke does not.

Just now, william1134 said:

But Luke does not.

What large ship has luke as a pilot?

12 minutes ago, william1134 said:

But Luke does not.

Actually both crew and pilot Luke have abilities that involve changing a singke focus for free.

When did crew enter the conversation?

1 minute ago, Rakaydos said:

When did crew enter the conversation?

Here

10 hours ago, piznit said:

Luke pilot and Luke crew are also different. Arguably Chewy, Han, Lando are as well, although they affect similar things, such as Chewy ignoring Crits vs cancelling a damage card

I haven't been following this thread all that closely, but I "think" when you referenced Hera, he thought you were talking about pilot Hera in the ghost and crew Hera and had forgotten that Hera also pilots the attack shuttle.

56 minutes ago, Princezilla said:

Rey actually had more prior training than Luke , she was using an actual training simulator while he was usually a speeder.

TFA did have it's fair share of issues but the core protagonists were not among those and were handled very well.

No, no she did not. It's true that Luke piloted a speeder exclusively before ANH, whereas Rey had countless hours practice in a simulator, however it's not clear what's more useful in a real space-wizards battle ... On the one hand, Luke has experience against other human beings of near-equal piloting skill (chief among them biggs), whereas Rey is more familiar with the controls of the ship's she's trained in. I personally think Luke would win the duel but that's just me, and it's the trivial point here.

The core protagonists were mostly a joke. Han was stupid (shoot him in the knee instead of talking to him...), Finn bounced between being a stoic warrior and a scared little kid rapidly, and all the ancillary characters had either major plot-holes or truly dull dialgue ("I want to run away" | "you have the eyes of a man who wants to run"...).

1 hour ago, DarthCognis said:

...And Kylo ren kicked her *** when he captured her, and only lost the second fight because he was BLEEDING OUT from a bowcaster to the GUTS, you know, the same one that sends stormtroopers FLYING through the air with the velocity and power of the shot?

Rey was decent, but even she suffered from major plot-holes. The Bane trilogy (non-cannon now, but meh) explained the enormous amount of training even the most gifted force user needs to go through just to grasp basic lightsaber handling. Literally months of tireless work with the greatest teachers available. Not only that, it explains the importance of the force shield and other mental abilities that also take training to develop. Regardless of Kylo's physical condition (which has always shown to be mitigated significantly by the foce), he should have only needed a gentle force push to kill Rey. Failing that, his skills with a lightsaber are simply better beyond compare. Proficiency with a staff does not translate in any way to lightsaber combat, so it's pretty impossible for Rey to win the duel at all.

And you complain about her latent force powers after watching a new hope? Luke with barely a few HOURS of light saber training from been was able to pull of an impossible godshot with proton torpedoes without even using a targeting computer . Ask any fighter pilot how supremely insane and impossible that shot would be.

Rey is not a Skywalker (to the fan base's knowledge...), so she doesn't get to use the "will of the force" card. Luke does, and he follows the will of the force to blow up the death star. It's not so much a plot-hole with Luke as a plot-point, suggesting that he's of crucial importance. In addition, Luke had an enormous amount of practice at this exact kind of thing - he used to bulls eye wamp rats back home.....

Rey (in my opinion) is a Kenobi-level force user. Powerful, intelligent, talented, but ultimately just isn't meant to be the best, save when the force wills it. As opposed to Luke, Vader/Anakin, Palpatine and a few others who are clearly portrayed as a "once in a millennium" kind of space wizard.

In short, new movie was at least as decent as A new hope, yet your totally fine with the blatant BS in that movie, in fact we star wars fans embrace the stupidity with parodys all the time, why cant you offer the same affection to a very similar movie?

That is your opinion, that TFA is as good as ANH. I personally put TFA on par with TPM in terms of plot quality, character development and story. You can't argue that it has anything new, because it doesn't (except an even bigger death star...) and you can't argue that it has better characters (half of them are comic relief, the others alive because plot).

51 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Here

I haven't been following this thread all that closely, but I "think" when you referenced Hera, he thought you were talking about pilot Hera in the ghost and crew Hera and had forgotten that Hera also pilots the attack shuttle.

That would make a little bit more sense, the crew/pilot ability being related seems to be a coin toss at best and it's kinda random who it will apply to. Pilot abilities changing though only happens when they are for a different faction, new Han and Chewie are classed as Resistance rather then Rebels. That may seem arbitrary but I think they are reasoning that if the back of the card shows a different logo it's cool to change the ability.