1 hour ago, Astech said:

Rey was decent, but even she suffered from major plot-holes. The Bane trilogy (non-cannon now, but meh) explained the enormous amount of training even the most gifted force user needs to go through just to grasp basic lightsaber handling. Literally months of tireless work with the greatest teachers available. Not only that, it explains the importance of the force shield and other mental abilities that also take training to develop. Regardless of Kylo's physical condition (which has always shown to be mitigated significantly by the foce), he should have only needed a gentle force push to kill Rey. Failing that, his skills with a lightsaber are simply better beyond compare. Proficiency with a staff does not translate in any way to lightsaber combat, so it's pretty impossible for Rey to win the duel at all

And there we have the reason why the EU had to go. Force users were both demystified into an RPG-leveling up farce and utterly "overpowered". Which works for a comic book superhero audience, but not actually for Star Wars. There would be no way the battle of Geonosis would have needed clone intervention if force users had capabilities described in the EU (a problem the first Clone Wars cartoon has, too). No way we'd have Jedi shot down by droids in TCW. It may sound cool and all that, but it is just detrimental for story telling.

Luke has a few moments with the remote and can already deflect blaster shots, wouldn't call that months of tireless work.

1 hour ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

And there we have the reason why the EU had to go. Force users were both demystified into an RPG-leveling up farce and utterly "overpowered". Which works for a comic book superhero audience, but not actually for Star Wars. There would be no way the battle of Geonosis would have needed clone intervention if force users had capabilities described in the EU (a problem the first Clone Wars cartoon has, too). No way we'd have Jedi shot down by droids in TCW. It may sound cool and all that, but it is just detrimental for story telling.

Luke has a few moments with the remote and can already deflect blaster shots, wouldn't call that months of tireless work.

Agreed, Mace Windu takes on an entire Battalion of droids and a giant Necron Monolith, single handedly, even has time for a nice glass of water in the clone wars stories. Take that level of plot armor and put it into the films and the Battle of Geonosis should have only been Mace Windu and his apprentice and the entire population should have surrendered. EU stories are fun but they do blow things out of proportion. Star Wars isn't the only culprit though:

Fluff/Movie 30k / 40k Space Marines can destroy entire planets on their own yet the game allows you to field 100s of them.

Master Chief is an unstoppable killing machine that can survive falling from space (dies to a single punch to the back of the head though. lol)

Marcus Fenix can singlehandedly defeat an entire coalition of militia with a single Retro Lancer and some high ground. (dies to two punches)

I found it more logical to read these as "tales" told from the perspective of a onlooker who exaggerates everything or like Chinese whispers or like Beowulf, whose tale of swimming across the channel in a race changes from him simply losing to one mysterious sea creature stopping him from winning to five creatures to eventually twelve and him being swallowed and re-emerging through its eye socket AND NOT LOSING ANY DISTANCE IN THE RACE.

Anyway, back to the new TIE, does anyone prefer the original concept art for this as opposed to the model now shown?

1 hour ago, Viktus106 said:

Anyway, back to the new TIE, does anyone prefer the original concept art for this as opposed to the model now shown?

Now that you mention it no. The conecpt art really does make it look like they put interceptor wings on an advanced frame. It's kinda short and fat. The wings on the model at least seem to be extended a bit giving it a more dagger profile. I like the model better.

12 minutes ago, LordFajubi said:

Now that you mention it no. The conecpt art really does make it look like they put interceptor wings on an advanced frame. It's kinda short and fat. The wings on the model at least seem to be extended a bit giving it a more dagger profile. I like the model better.

It's by far a better concept art to final design transition then the SF, which went from a genuinely unique and interesting concept to a repaint of the basic TIE.

3 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

And there we have the reason why the EU had to go. Force users were both demystified into an RPG-leveling up farce and utterly "overpowered". Which works for a comic book superhero audience, but not actually for Star Wars. There would be no way the battle of Geonosis would have needed clone intervention if force users had capabilities described in the EU (a problem the first Clone Wars cartoon has, too). No way we'd have Jedi shot down by droids in TCW. It may sound cool and all that, but it is just detrimental for story telling.

Luke has a few moments with the remote and can already deflect blaster shots, wouldn't call that months of tireless work.

RPG-leveling up isn't present. What is present is a natural increase in skill over time - both the Jedi and Sith understood patience as a great virtue (the good ones, at least). Considering we're talking about space wizards , the superhero plot devices work here too. As for Geonisis - Windu can't block orbital bombardment, which is the clear strategy once most of the ships have lifted off.

As always, there are those with more talent than others. Draw any sports parallel you like, but regardless you find those far superior to others. As such, the okay Jedi (mostly semi-nameless ones from TCW) are shot whereas the exceptional ones normally survive without a scratch (Cough Order 66 Cough).

Luke practices for a couple moments and grasps the basic concept of blocking, then does so (on an easy remote setting, remember). As Han said - lucky. Additionally, Luke is a Skywalker , so he's one of two characters that can use plot armour in that manner.

1 hour ago, Viktus106 said:

Agreed, Mace Windu takes on an entire Battalion of droids and a giant Necron Monolith, single handedly, even has time for a nice glass of water in the clone wars stories. Take that level of plot armor and put it into the films and the Battle of Geonosis should have only been Mace Windu and his apprentice and the entire population should have surrendered. EU stories are fun but they do blow things out of proportion. Star Wars isn't the only culprit though:

I found it more logical to read these as "tales" told from the perspective of a onlooker who exaggerates everything or like Chinese whisper s or like Beowulf, whose tale of swimming across the channel in a race changes from him simply losing to one mysterious sea creature stopping him from winning to five creatures to eventually twelve and him being swallowed and re-emerging through its eye socket AND NOT LOSING ANY DISTANCE IN THE RACE.

The old clone wars is no longer canon, and I'll admit that is a good thing. Windu's technique is portrayed as unstoppable (with semi-logical reasons), so soloing a droid army isn't that much of a feat. Again, any Jedi can be killed by orbital bombardment (except Starkiller).

EU stories were awesome for that sense of escalation though, if it's what you're into. It doesn't have to make sense either, which is why I can enjoy TFA.

55 minutes ago, Astech said:

RPG-leveling up isn't present. What is present is a natural increase in skill over time - both the Jedi and Sith understood patience as a great virtue (the good ones, at least). Considering we're talking about space wizards , the superhero plot devices work here too. As for Geonisis - Windu can't block orbital bombardment, which is the clear strategy once most of the ships have lifted off.

As always, there are those with more talent than others. Draw any sports parallel you like, but regardless you find those far superior to others. As such, the okay Jedi (mostly semi-nameless ones from TCW) are shot whereas the exceptional ones normally survive without a scratch (Cough Order 66 Cough).

Luke practices for a couple moments and grasps the basic concept of blocking, then does so (on an easy remote setting, remember). As Han said - lucky. Additionally, Luke is a Skywalker , so he's one of two characters that can use plot armour in that manner.

The old clone wars is no longer canon, and I'll admit that is a good thing. Windu's technique is portrayed as unstoppable (with semi-logical reasons), so soloing a droid army isn't that much of a feat. Again, any Jedi can be killed by orbital bombardment (except Starkiller).

EU stories were awesome for that sense of escalation though, if it's what you're into. It doesn't have to make sense either, which is why I can enjoy TFA.

I didn't know that the clone wars series was no longer official, that's quite a blow but I guess it opens up design space.

2 minutes ago, Viktus106 said:

I didn't know that the clone wars series was no longer official, that's quite a blow but I guess it opens up design space.

The old clone wars series isn't canon anymore. The canon visual sources include Rebels, CGI Clone wars and the 8 released movies (not including christmas specials).

3 hours ago, Viktus106 said:

Agreed, Mace Windu takes on an entire Battalion of droids and a giant Necron Monolith, single handedly, even has time for a nice glass of water in the clone wars stories. Take that level of plot armor and put it into the films and the Battle of Geonosis should have only been Mace Windu and his apprentice and the entire population should have surrendered. EU stories are fun but they do blow things out of proportion. Star Wars isn't the only culprit though:

Fluff/Movie 30k / 40k Space Marines can destroy entire planets on their own yet the game allows you to field 100s of them.

Master Chief is an unstoppable killing machine that can survive falling from space (dies to a single punch to the back of the head though. lol)

Marcus Fenix can singlehandedly defeat an entire coalition of militia with a single Retro Lancer and some high ground. (dies to two punches)

I found it more logical to read these as "tales" told from the perspective of a onlooker who exaggerates everything or like Chinese whispers or like Beowulf, whose tale of swimming across the channel in a race changes from him simply losing to one mysterious sea creature stopping him from winning to five creatures to eventually twelve and him being swallowed and re-emerging through its eye socket AND NOT LOSING ANY DISTANCE IN THE RACE.

Anyway, back to the new TIE, does anyone prefer the original concept art for this as opposed to the model now shown?

The reading them as in Universe myths is also nice because you can justify all the glaring inconsistencies and lore contractions of Legends... In addition to certain entire chunks of content which are best forgotten.

16 hours ago, Princezilla said:

Take that whiney **** elsewhere, we're here to have fun and speculate on a future release not listen to you stand on your soapbox and complain about things which give people joy because they aren't to your personal taist.

Don't argue with me if you don't want a reply. Simple as that. As far as who has the right to express a belief and who does not, you may proceed to get all the way out of here with that childish nonsense.

2 minutes ago, VaeVictis said:

Don't argue with me if you don't want a reply. Simple as that. As far as who has the right to express a belief and who does not, you may proceed to get all the way out of here with that childish nonsense.

1 hour ago, VaeVictis said:

Don't argue with me if you don't want a reply. Simple as that. As far as who has the right to express a belief and who does not, you may proceed to get all the way out of here with that childish nonsense.

I wasn't arguing with you. You barged in to a thread about something completely unrelated and started shitting on something a lot of people enjoyed and generally making an *** of yourself. Then became belligerent when people objected to your hijacking of the thread.

Belligerent? lol The only person being belligerent here is you, child.

I riffed off someone else's joke, I didn't hijack. Then some doofus who foolishly thought he knew storytelling conventions better than I do challenged me, and I shut him down. Then you threw a temper tantrum.

As I said before, you need to get all the **** the way out. Either that or just stop crying. It's undignified and you cannot appear to comprehend how few cares I have to provide about your feelings.

I am worried: something about Kylo's face will make it hard to take him seriously as a pilot. And if he puts on a mask first, that will just make it seem like he is dressing up as Darth Vader before getting in the cockpit...

On 10/06/2017 at 1:42 AM, Knightcrawler said:

I am worried: something about Kylo's face will make it hard to take him seriously as a pilot. And if he puts on a mask first, that will just make it seem like he is dressing up as Darth Vader before getting in the cockpit...

dressing up like darth vader first is absolutely something that man-child would do ahhahaha

3 hours ago, kitandthevoices said:

dressing up like darth vader first is absolutely something that man-child would do ahhahaha

We had a joke around my groups where Darth Vader flying along with FO ships was actually Kylo cosplaying...

5 hours ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

We had a joke around my groups where Darth Vader flying along with FO ships was actually Kylo cosplaying...

Lol, I stod at work, reading this, almost loled my coffe onto my keyboard! Thanks for that joke! You made my day

What if range modifiers were doubled. Just as a Kylo ability, showing his aggressiveness.

4 minutes ago, ozmodon said:

What if range modifiers were doubled. Just as a Kylo ability, showing his aggressiveness.

You mean like Talonbane Cobras ability?

8 hours ago, MenaceNsobriety said:

You mean like Talonbane Cobras ability?

Perhaps only on offense? He doesn't seem that focused on agility - he let someone who had never touched a light saber before (citation needed) wound him.

I'm still in favor of his pilot ability staying the same IF the ship has more than 4 combined hull/shield. Anything less than that is going to get one-shot too many times. I'm assuming its agility/action bar will allow the ship to evade 2-3 hits/crits per turn, making ISYTDS usable ~3 times.

12 hours ago, MenaceNsobriety said:

You mean like Talonbane Cobras ability?

Yep