WHAT TIE INTERCEPTORS REALLY NEED IS NOT A FIX

By Psalm 112, in X-Wing

people complain incessently about how the Tie Interceptor is no longer good, about how its obselete. And, they are totally correct. But the Tie Interceptor doesn't need a fix. Your brain does. Its totally true, the Interceptor is no longer playable in the current meta. But why is it unplayable? It used to be the Tie X7 was better anyways, but not anymore. Whats killing Interceptors, and imperials in general, is the new stress meta. Rebel have always had stressbot, but scum just keeps getting more stress options. Also, BMST and bombs aren't helping. The problem is not Interceptors. The problem is with the meta. Meta's change though. i feel people are so blind to how xwing works. Let me give you a short history. Fat Han was the first to emerge along with Tie Swarms. Then the Tie Interceptor was made counter him, at the time just with agility, they didn't have thrusters so arc-dodging didn't work. Rebels also got some big guns (B-Wings). Tie Interceptors and even the Tie Advanced were created crappy. So even though they existed, Dash was able to emerge, but he would later fall once both got fixed. Whisper and Corran emerged, both were really good. The meta got to dodgy for Dash and B-wings once the Interceptors and Advanced were fixed, and then the aces reined. Exactly opposite from now, people complained about how OP Interceptors were and how bad Dash was now. Then the other two factions struggled to answer for a while, and then the current anti ace stress meta came into being. So my point is? Whatever gets popular gets countered eventually. So, just wait. The meta will change, Interceptors will emerge some day. If you want to see it change, please post and anti stress lists below, and actually go play them. Go make stress lists unplayable. I understand most list that have stress mechanics aren't actually built around it, but if you make stress mechanics useless, people will stop using them. So, stay patient, and enjoy the meta as it is. It will change. One day, aces will re-emerge and the days of glorious arc-dodging will return.

21 minutes ago, Psalm 112 said:

people complain incessently about how the Tie Interceptor is no longer good, about how its obselete. And, they are totally correct. But the Tie Interceptor doesn't need a fix. Your brain does.

Stopped reading there. Check your manners, pal.

I think he didnt mean it like that :D

Maybe it was just a hint that people should change their mind and the way they think.

Its difficult to express such things in a foreign language. I can tell.

I'm american bro. And fix your brain was subtle humor. A play on fix this and that. It was supposed to be ironic. I'm surprised that came across as rude. Sorry that it did. the spelin errs r du ta me bein a bad tiper. :P

Been meaning to try some more interceptor lists, but... TIE FOs man. :rolleyes:

American! See?

Speaking English must be really difficult for him. :rolleyes:

In this case I do forgive him. Bigly. I have... THE BEST... forgivefulness. I'm great at forgiving. I really am.

What people need to do is start speaking the real galactic language. Shyriiwook

4 minutes ago, Fuzzywookie said:

What people need to do is start speaking the real galactic language. Shyriiwook

:huh: I thought it was Basic (which is English with Star Wars slang thrown in there.)

When has dash ever been bad?

3 hours ago, Psalm 112 said:

Whats killing Interceptors

For me the cheaper, more fun TIE Striker and the more expensive but much more durable TIE Defender.

The TIE interceptor chassis is fine. What isn't fine are the pilots not named Soontir Fel, Carnor Jax, Alpha squadron pilots, and to a lesser extent Turr Phennir. I know I sure would love to use Lt. Lorrir or Kir Kanos in a game and not have it be the dead weight in a squad relative to something else I could take for that number of points. Lt. Lorrir is one of the most fun pilots to fly in the game, but he is mercilessly punished for even using his ability, and gets vaporized by half the things currently strong in the meta on a bad day before he can even shoot.

And yes, the meta does change, specifically because new cards come out that swerve the meta in a new direction. It's very likely interceptors will return when new cards that help ships of their type. Will be nice :)

Topic in all caps, fails to capitalize first word in a sentence.

1 hour ago, Sasajak said:

For me the cheaper, more fun TIE Striker and the more expensive but much more durable TIE Defender.

Sigh. So true. Sorely tempted to run Alpha Fleet Officer at Store Champs, but I think I'm going Striker instead because they are so blasted fun!

Wow, lots of personal attacks on this guy.

3 hours ago, Fuzzywookie said:

What people need to do is start speaking the real galactic language. Shyriiwook

I'd be happy if they just started spelling wookiee correctly.

I still run a triple Interceptor list.

Soontir

Jax

Lorrir

I usually get more millage out of Lorrir than Soontir because people avoid him.

Granted I dont play in tournaments so take that into account. I have done well against most of the current meta lists ran at our FLGS.

Now I have a style of play that might account for some of that, in that I do not become target focused. I fly the ships and shoot what ever happens to get in my arc. Seems to work well most of the time. Fly it like a real fighter.

1 hour ago, Darth Meanie said:

I'd be happy if they just started spelling wookiee correctly.

Only full blooded wookiees are allowed to spell Wookiee with the correct 2 e. I'm a half wookie. My mother is a Wookiee. My dad is an ewok.

What they need is for b wings, x wings and tie swarms to be relevant again.

I think they tried to fix the tie swarm with crack shot. But only used once. That kinda hurts. Need something similar but consistent.

Your brief history fails to mention that no Interceptor has ever won worlds. I don't think there was one ever even at the final table. Early in the game there was a lot of noise about Fel and how powerful he is... he has what might be THE BEST pilot ability in the game and that's what keeps him around, not his ship. Turr was a great wingmate and many of us even preferred him at the time but he quickly fell out of favor. Jax was a later addition and just as annoying but not as powerful. Alphas were hot for about a month. Because you can actually name a few very annoying and powerful pilots does not mean that the INTERCEPTOR not the PILOT is "good enough". It has about 3 times as many pilots as the EWING but no one says "the EWING is good" just because Corran wins worlds.

Fel is good. Jax is good. The interceptor itself is not. Even those two pilots can no longer compete on that frame. Those pilots can't compete in the META. The frame almost never could.

20 minutes ago, Fuzzywookie said:

Only full blooded wookiees are allowed to spell Wookiee with the correct 2 e. I'm a half wookie. My mother is a Wookiee. My dad is an ewok.

Ah, so it's kinda like the "whiskey" and "whisky" thing ;)

6 hours ago, Psalm 112 said:

the Tie Interceptor doesn't need a fix. Your brain does.

You say meta changes. Sure. But not until a new element is introduced. It doesn't change on its own. If FFG decided that starting tomorrow no new XWM expansions will be produced, the meta would stay as it is forever, as fixed games don't have meta. Or are you still waiting for Monopoly to overcome the Boardwalk/Park Place meta?

So, a new element that, either directly or indirectly, changes the meta in a direction where the Interceptors are in a good place again... Something that comes and improves their chances of success or hinders their predators. What would you call that? An Interceptor fix , maybe?

So yes, you're right, it's all a matter of using the brain.

12 minutes ago, Kumagoro said:

You say meta changes. Sure. But not until a new element is introduced. It doesn't change on its own. If FFG decided that starting tomorrow no new XWM expansions will be produced, the meta would stay as it is forever, as fixed games don't have meta. Or are you still waiting for Monopoly to overcome the Boardwalk/Park Place meta?

So, a new element that, either directly or indirectly, changes the meta in a direction where the Interceptors are in a good place again... Something that comes and improves their chances of success or hinders their predators. What would you call that? An Interceptor fix , maybe?

So yes, you're right, it's all a matter of using the brain.

I think the Vaskai title, bringing back tightly backed high impact jousters (5 cartel marauders w/ tracers and junk) will see a return of high PS arcdodgers. But I wouldnt call it an Intercepter fix, because it's a Khirazx fix.

Stealth buff, at best.

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13 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

Ah, so it's kinda like the "whiskey" and "whisky" thing ;)

Yea. But I prefer jager.