3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Absolutely random fun fact you find when re-reading the thread, the situation came up before and was ignored leading us to lynch 2 innocent in a row. Not implying anything, just throwing it here, as that PT also died not much later

I explained already as I what it is: a coincidence.

Does it really so hard to talk about cantinas in an star wars tatoine mafia game?

And why I would be sl explicit about that when obviously it could be used against me later.

As I see: as a hutt I was stupid in an epic level, too epic to kill 5 townies until kill the most powerful role hutts seem to have.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

As I see: as a hutt I was stupid in an epic level, too epic to kill 5 townies until kill the most powerful role hutts seem to have.

Unless there is a better role, and we just don't know it

I realized the cantina is stupid as evidence since it isn't one.

So. . . what I'm getting is: Visovics' best defense is that he's the only claimed defense role, and ovinomanc3r's best defense is that if he was a hutt he would have been foolish to make it so obvious with the whole cantina thing.

Frankly given how many people have power roles of some sort I think a medic (especially in Tatooine) is a bit much. I also think it unlikely that a better role than blocker exists. Still, it was Ovinomans3r's initial message that got everybody killed. . .

@Onidsen what are your thoughts?

I'm going to bed now, so please don't vote without me, or expect me to post for the next several hours.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I'm going to bed now, so please don't vote without me, or expect me to post for the next several hours.

Same, so no hammer coming down till tomorrow, dw

So, let me recap the situation as I see it.

There are 4 of us left. 1 Hutt, the rest villagers.

I know my own alignment. Call this assumption 1. That means that one of the other 3 is evil.

If the message sender could have sent 2 per round, then the message sender would have done so earlier. Call this assumption 2. Therefore, either ovi or vics is lying about receiving a message. This strongly points towards one of them being evil.

This coincides with NIP, who claims a confirmed town role.

So, down to 2 options. The message claimed that ovi was evil. That could be an attempt by Vics to cast suspicion on ovi, or it could be ovi trying to get plausible deniability.

But the message specifically claimed that ovi bussed Tirion. And looking at the role ovi played in that hanging, that would be an accurate read of the situation if he were evil.

But consider this: team evil almost certainly didn't bus Tirion. It wasn't a good play. All they needed was a village kill and they win. Period. Ovi started the train on Tirion with his accusation. He want the first vote, but he brought up the damaging evidence that sealed the deal.

Tirion tried to get ovi hung. Hard. Called him a liar and everything. This argues in favor of ovi's innocence.

Finally, in a game with only 2 Hutts, a village Tracker, a Mayor, and 2 masons, why on earth would we have a doctor too?

##vote Visovics

1 Onidsen is hutt and the rest are saying the truth. He had to sent two messages (cause I didn't and anyone claimed to do it), killed Caribbean and redirected me/Visovics. If he is able to do that why he didn't redirected Visovics and kill me incriminating Visovics?? He could spice it with messages too.

2. Ghost is hutt and the rest are saying the truth. He had to send one message, killed Caribbean and redirected me/Visovics. If he is able to do that, again, why he didn't redirected Visovics and kill me?

3. Visovics is hutt and the rest are saying the truth. He had to sent one message and kill Caribbean. He would need to redirect me but he didn't. He couldn't kill me or himself.

4. I am hutt and the rest are saying the truth. I had to send two message and killed Caribbean. I would need to redirect Visovics to be sure I was going to kill someone but I didn't. Why I didn't joined the message team or as I already said, kill Visovics and close my flash watcher role to incriminate someone. I couldn't kill myself but I could do it with Visovics.

### vote Visovics.

Both are sleeping so anyone is going to be lynched before you were back. And I am not going to be able to vote until tomorrow afternoon so I put it here. I am pretty sure right now.

Looking back at my post, the logic is spotty, but that's errors in communication, not in reasoning. That post was put together over the course of an hour or so while I tried to put my 6-mo old son to sleep.

The evidence is clear in my mind. There's an outside chance that NIP is the evil one, and that the Mason claim is a final hour reveal to swing the town kill anywhere else.

Ovi is practically cleared by the interaction with Tirion. And ovi's action analysis reads sound right to me.

One last thing that bothers me is this: ovi claims to have watched Vics visit ghost. If that's the case, then how does Vics kill CNinja the same night? If ovi is telling the truth, doesn't that clear vics? Unless vics is a redirect that can use the kill and the redirect on the same night. But redirect, message, and kill is a lot of actions to use on the same night...

18 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

1 Onidsen is hutt and the rest are saying the truth. He had to sent two messages (cause I didn't and anyone claimed to do it), killed Caribbean and redirected me/Visovics. If he is able to do that why he didn't redirected Visovics and kill me incriminating Visovics?? He could spice it with messages too.

2. Ghost is hutt and the rest are saying the truth. He had to send one message, killed Caribbean and redirected me/Visovics. If he is able to do that, again, why he didn't redirected Visovics and kill me?

3. Visovics is hutt and the rest are saying the truth. He had to sent one message and kill Caribbean. He would need to redirect me but he didn't. He couldn't kill me or himself.

4. I am hutt and the rest are saying the truth. I had to send two message and killed Caribbean. I would need to redirect Visovics to be sure I was going to kill someone but I didn't. Why I didn't joined the message team or as I already said, kill Visovics and claim my watcher role to incriminate someone. I couldn't kill myself but I could do it with Visovics.

The autocorrector is killing me as my eyes. Sorry if stuff like that happened in other post. I am starting to worry about my eyes, seriously.

Just now, Onidsen said:

One last thing that bothers me is this: ovi claims to have watched Vics visit ghost. If that's the case, then how does Vics kill CNinja the same night? If ovi is telling the truth, doesn't that clear vics? Unless vics is a redirect that can use the kill and the redirect on the same night. But redirect, message, and kill is a lot of actions to use on the same night...

I suppose hutts are able to use their skills and kill as killing wasn't a ability.

I asked Biggs about that when I was worried about don't be able to hunt the blocker. He told me he couldn't tell me.

Being that true he could send the message and kill but he cannot redirect me cause he is not and that is the reason I watched him.

5 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I suppose hutts are able to use their skills and kill as killing wasn't a ability.

I asked Biggs about that when I was worried about don't be able to hunt the blocker. He told me he couldn't tell me.

Being that true he could send the message and kill but he cannot redirect me cause he is not and that is the reason I watched him.

Ok, but still you said you saw him visit ghost, right? If you received the message, you should have seen him visit yourself. Or if you saw the kill, you should have seen him visit CNinja.

5 minutes ago, Onidsen said:

Ok, but still you said you saw him visit ghost, right? If you received the message, you should have seen him visit yourself. Or if you saw the kill, you should have seen him visit CNinja.

I didn't receive the message this night.

Ghost and Visovics claimed that.

What I realized is that I saw Visovics giving the message to ghost.

7 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I didn't receive the message this night.

Ghost and Visovics claimed that.

What I realized is that I saw Visovics giving the message to ghost.

Oops. Missed that. In that case, I'm fine with where my vote is.

The story of the message is curious cause as long as we know we got

One at night 1 (me), 2 (Caribbean it seems) and 3 (Tirion) and now we got two??? Weird.

I think that they didn't send anything at night 3 in order to make Tirion's claim plausible.

The same was done during night 2 with the blocker. He didn't act really in order to make Visovics claim of being blocked plausible. I actually trusted him after that. They cannot pretend the blocker didn't exist cause JJ told us he was blocked and he was going to die and show himself townie.

Wake up to find myself at H-1, lovely!

Also, while reading the whole thing again to find anything that can prove my innocence, I saw the win conditions for you guys that I didn't notice yesterday, and I had the feeling something wss wrong, so I looked back at my role PM and realized I misread it... I'm not town aligned... I am a REBEL-aligned infiltrated agent... that may have changed a lot of things earlier on... although I did remember the bodyguard bit right. I'm not able at the moment to write much, I'll be back in a while to write a properly written defense

And btw, my win condition is the town wins

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

And btw, my win condition is the town wins

So. . . we have to eliminate the threats - could be Hutt, could be Rebel. You win if we win. So could it be then that all of us are not hutts, but that we must kill you to win, and then you win too? Seems odd but. . .

Also, thanks a ton folks, I have the killing vote? What pressure. Choices choices. . .

@Onidsen What was your alignment and victory condition?

Would be really weird to have only 1 hutt in the game, and that my win condition (if you are right and I am included in the threat) would require me dying, which funilly enough is basically my role, and I always have higher chances of dying at night

On 05/06/2017 at 4:45 PM, PT106 said:

Wait! I thought we're all here to hunt Rebels! (And I definitely am!) Is it Hutt season already?

Holy **** I think I know the idiot's win condition now

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

Holy **** I think I know the idiot's win condition now

I thought he had to be lynched? That's the standard win condition for fools/idiots.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I thought he had to be lynched? That's the standard win condition for fools/idiots.

Well nevermind then,also, I don't think "standard" is very logic in this village, just thought it was interesting.

Ok, so PT was definitely told the rebels were in the village, there's no way he'd talk so much about rebels in the village in day 1 if the only thing he can trust is the role PM... I can't use this as proof of my role and therefore innocence right? Btw I will only be able to post again in about 10 hours (yey...school on monday...bet you guys miss it... :/) so please ghost, can I ask for you not to doom me?

Don't worry Visovics. I still have my doubts, so I'll wait to hear your defense.

Remember: your fate's already largely decided - I doubt I can convince the others not to vote for you, as that would mean one of them is gonna die instead. So the only way you can be saved is to have a good enough defense that you convince 2 of us to vote for somebody else. I shall await your return later today, so as not to rush you. Go about your day in the knowledge that you won't be dead when you return.

Have a good day!