Just now, ovinomanc3r said:Special ALIGNMENT. Caribbean was a moisture farmer
Yep. With a bonus.
[Mafia] Village Mos Erdru - COMPLETE
2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:I said that I supposed the message came from Norell as he was the only one who voted JJs
Yep, you're right. My bad, I was recalling the earlier post, before you explained it fully.
So. 2 messages pointing at JJ - lies.
2 messages pointing at you - lies?
One of the reasons I am more inclined to trust these messages is that it would be the perfect opportunity for the Hutts to use them to clear themselves. Now that everybody thinks they're always lies would be the perfect time to make them true. Furthermore, given the craziness that this game is, it would even be believable that Tirion didn't actually know you were a hutt, but ovinomanc3r knew Tirion was. Unlikely, but still. . .
Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Yep. With a bonus.
We always get the name role even if we don't get what it does.
But even with that. If Caribbean was able to send messages. Even the same night he died. Even to two during the same night then the sent every message. All those message lie as long as we know. More than that: Special Alignment is not Townie alignment so it is not trustworthy. I am town alignment and I win when every threat (no hutt as I noticed recently) to the village is eliminated.
So those messages are not trustworthy. And that before all the IFs we have to put on Caribbean.
Actually you said he revived a misterious message and he told you through a special way giving us TWO players being able to send messages. And only ONE me publicly claimed receiving one in the whole game? Cause it is hard to count Tirion's one as a real message. He was hutt, he was lying.
1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:One of the reasons I am more inclined to trust these messages is that it would be the perfect opportunity for the Hutts to use them to clear themselves. Now that everybody thinks they're always lies would be the perfect time to make them true. Furthermore, given the craziness that this game is, it would even be believable that Tirion didn't actually know you were a hutt, but ovinomanc3r knew Tirion was. Unlikely, but still. . .
Bold: perfect opportunity to be seen as a villager would be leading the argument against a hutt in the lynch
Also, you were talking about something in the blue milk in the cantina, which is interesting to look at, because it ends up that you claim you received the message while drunk, and that Tirion was a hutt, and his role-name is actually... oh wait... he's the guy from the cantina
So at the end what is your story?
Cause I am really confused.
5 minutes ago, Visovics said:Bold: perfect opportunity to be seen as a villager would be leading the argument against a hutt in the lynch
Also, you were talking about something in the blue milk in the cantina, which is interesting to look at, because it ends up that you claim you received the message while drunk, and that Tirion was a hutt, and his role-name is actually... oh wait... he's the guy from the cantina
Yes, Tatoinne theme is hardest thing to talk about cantinas in a role game.
13 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:We always get the name role even if we don't get what it does.
But even with that. If Caribbean was able to send messages. Even the same night he died. Even to two during the same night then the sent every message. All those message lie as long as we know. More than that: Special Alignment is not Townie alignment so it is not trustworthy. I am town alignment and I win when every threat (no hutt as I noticed recently) to the village is eliminated.
So those messages are not trustworthy. And that before all the IFs we have to put on Caribbean.
Actually you said he revived a misterious message and he told you through a special way giving us TWO players being able to send messages. And only ONE me publicly claimed receiving one in the whole game? Cause it is hard to count Tirion's one as a real message. He was hutt, he was lying.
Sigh. You misunderstand. CNinja was a Mason. So am I. Therefore I know that he is completely trustworthy. I know he got a message 'cause he told me so in our chat, and that convinced us both to vote for JJ. Our mission also told us that we would win if all threats to the townies were eliminated. I was curious about that at first, unsure if it meant we had to be the last survivors, causing us to kill townies and hutts, but Biggs implied in a roundabout way that we were ordinary townies who got a chat. That ended up in us having 9 unknown players instead of 10 each. It made life a bit easier. We discussed trends in voters, and saw that ovinomanc3r and Norell voted similarly, and JJ/Onidsen/PT voted similarly, so we assumed that one of those two groups was comprised of Hutts. Norell was innocent, and CNinja received the message, so we voted JJ. JJ was innocent, so we voted Tirion, as being the next suspicious. Rather, I voted Tirion. CNinja was busy and didn't. But that helped because we knew that therefore in order to lynch Tirion a hutt had had to vote him. I had hoped he'd live through the night, as that meant that the choice would be out of 2, not out of 3. I was even inclined to vote Onidsen were that the case.
However CNinja died, and those who survived have fed us conflicting reports, meaning that I am now confused and suspicious of you all. Even Onidsen, since he's been so much in the background that it'd be perfect. What better role to claim than vanilla? That's why I really think
@Visovics should explain why ovinomanc3r seemingly saw him visit me, and we should try to determine who the hutt is out of you three.
The thing I love more is me incriminating Tirion to gain you to my cause instead of sacrifice myself while Tirion was pretty clean after it was obvious PT was lying.
2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:The thing I love more is me incriminating Tirion to gain you to my cause instead of sacrifice myself while Tirion was pretty clean after it was obvious PT was lying.
Erm. The way I read this is:
'The thing I loved most was that I managed to bring you to trust me by accusing Tirion, rather then letting the otherwise clean Tirion get away whilst I revealed myself as a hutt'. . . which is suspiciously reminiscent of Broba's 'If I was an Imperial' last game. . .
Could you please clarify your statement?
6 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Sigh. You misunderstand. CNinja was a Mason. So am I. Therefore I know that he is completely trustworthy. I know he got a message 'cause he told me so in our chat, and that convinced us both to vote for JJ. Our mission also told us that we would win if all threats to the townies were eliminated. I was curious about that at first, unsure if it meant we had to be the last survivors, causing us to kill townies and hutts, but Biggs implied in a roundabout way that we were ordinary townies who got a chat. That ended up in us having 9 unknown players instead of 10 each. It made life a bit easier. We discussed trends in voters, and saw that ovinomanc3r and Norell voted similarly, and JJ/Onidsen/PT voted similarly, so we assumed that one of those two groups was comprised of Hutts. Norell was innocent, and CNinja received the message, so we voted JJ. JJ was innocent, so we voted Tirion, as being the next suspicious. Rather, I voted Tirion. CNinja was busy and didn't. But that helped because we knew that therefore in order to lynch Tirion a hutt had had to vote him. I had hoped he'd live through the night, as that meant that the choice would be out of 2, not out of 3. I was even inclined to vote Onidsen were that the case.
However CNinja died, and those who survived have fed us conflicting reports, meaning that I am now confused and suspicious of you all. Even Onidsen, since he's been so much in the background that it'd be perfect. What better role to claim than vanilla? That's why I really think
@Visovics should explain why ovinomanc3r seemingly saw him visit me, and we should try to determine who the hutt is out of you three.
That points to Visovics IMHO.
I don't think that the ability to send a message through the mod could be done to two players during the same night. If that would be possible, then someone else would received the message against JJs the first night when only i received it.
So...
He visited you giving you the message and that is the reason I saw him visiting you. It is the easiest explanation and that is the reason about the coincidence between your messages. He wrote it.
If hut has a blocker... why they didn't block our bodyguard the first night to be sure Truthiness died. Instead of that they blocked JJs. Then Visovics said he was blocked (what could be a lie) no blocking anyone to reinforce his story and then I was blocked while I watching Visovics.
Actually several things are getting clearer to me.
Dinner so I will check the thread...again...later.
11 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Erm. The way I read this is:
'The thing I loved most was that I managed to bring you to trust me by accusing Tirion, rather then letting the otherwise clean Tirion get away whilst I revealed myself as a hutt'. . . which is suspiciously reminiscent of Broba's 'If I was an Imperial' last game. . .
Could you please clarify your statement?
The lack of sense of that argument. That's all.
20 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:So at the end what is your story?
Cause I am really confused.
So am I.
I protected you
I receive Biggs' PM saying about the message
1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:The lack of sense of that argument. That's all.
Ah. Admittedly, we didn't suspect Tirion because of you, we kinda just suspected him based on the general impression we got from his comments, JJs' comments, and the 'vibe' of the thread at the time. . .
3 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:That points to Visovics IMHO.
I don't think that the ability to send a message through the mod could be done to two players during the same night. If that would be possible, then someone else would received the message against JJs the first night when only i received it.
So...
He visited you giving you the message and that is the reason I saw him visiting you. It is the easiest explanation and that is the reason about the coincidence between your messages. He wrote it.
If hut has a blocker... why they didn't block our bodyguard the first night to be sure Truthiness died. Instead of that they blocked JJs. Then Visovics said he was blocked (what could be a lie) no blocking anyone to reinforce his story and then I was blocked while I watching Visovics.
Actually several things are getting clearer to me.
Dinner so I will check the thread...again...later.
While everything you said makes sense, you just went from 'The only person I trust if Vis' to 'It could be Vis'.
3 minutes ago, Visovics said:So am I.
I protected you
I receive Biggs' PM saying about the message
What verb did the message use?
Players alive 4 = 3 to Hammer. 45 3/4 hours until Night (1:15 PM EDT, June 13th)
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@ovinomanc3r -
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Onidsen - @Visovics -
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2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:What verb did the message use?
To sacrifice, in the past tense, sacrificed
2 minutes ago, Visovics said:To sacrifice, in the past tense, sacrificed
Yep, I got the same verb. Doesn't mean much really, but I figured I'd check. If it was different I'd be more inclined to distrust that 1) you got the message 2) you sent the message. As I don't think the sender would send different words, probably a copy-paste, and I don't think the sender would lie, given the first point.
So again: either you got it and are townie, or you sent it and are hutt. but the fact remains that you and I have had in some way contact with the same message.
Darn it, I forgot to capitalize the B. . . that's gonna annoy me. . .
9 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:If hut has a blocker... why they didn't block our bodyguard the first night to be sure Truthiness died. Instead of that they blocked JJs. Then Visovics said he was blocked (what could be a lie) no blocking anyone to reinforce his story and then I was blocked while I watching Visovics.
Funny how you seem to ignore how obvious it is.
N1 was a disaster with no one having a clear image about no one other than my claim, therefore the most likely to be protected by a medic (which btw, unless Oni claims to be, I am the only defensive role) and so they kill a random target, so it would be smarter to actually randomly block for the chance of a power role
N2 Mad was quite obvious he was a cop and that he investigated JJ, this means that he may live another day and so block whatever protective role you know, so me because no claims
N3 I go to protect you, because of your claim to be a watcher, which btw "gave nothing" until this night. Roleblocker is dead anyway, so I know I'll be at your place
So right now I have the impression you are lying about your role, and there even is the possibility you can send 2 messages, but despite me and Ghost having received messages, you still say that Tirion's claim of a message was a lie, which is rather weird since we know that the messenger wasn't dead.
8 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:Darn it, I forgot to capitalize the B. . . that's gonna annoy me. . .
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3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:So again: either you got it and are townie, or you sent it and are hutt. but the fact remains that you and I have had in some way contact with the same message.
If Visovics didn't send the message who did it? Me? Why I would send the same message to two players (if that is possible that I really think is not)? I couldn't be sure if they were going to trust it or not but I could be sure that he would make some kind of team.
Think about it Ghost. If you were hutt and you were able to send a message to two people why you would send the message to two townies when there are just 4 players left?
Biggs, did you have to make it that confusing? I know we are in the middle of nowhere, but that is a lot of weird for a village with 11(9?7?8? I got lost) people
2 minutes ago, Visovics said:Funny how you seem to ignore how obvious it is.
N1 was a disaster with no one having a clear image about no one other than my claim, therefore the most likely to be protected by a medic (which btw, unless Oni claims to be, I am the only defensive role) and so they kill a random target, so it would be smarter to actually randomly block for the chance of a power role.
As long as it was obvious hat the doc would protect you, the logic move were block you as the doc were busy and you protected. So blocking you free way to hutts. They didn't... why? You being hutt.