4 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Vis and I got one saying you betrayed your partner (implying you're a hutt).

As Tirion and he was hutt as you said so...

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

As Tirion and he was hutt as you said so...

I know. I'm just cataloging all recorded messages, so we can judge their value.

@Visovics

Could you tell as what exactly you got from visiting me?

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

@Visovics

Could you tell as what exactly you got from visiting me?

Wait, now he visited you? I thought you said he was with me?

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Wait, now he visited you? I thought you said he was with me?

He said he visited me. Don't cheat Ghost.

I am not going to build each sentence like "what did you said you got from visiting me while you visited Ghost as I see".

So basically I protected Ovi, and then I receive the PM saying that you betrayed your partner. I have no idea about what happened involving Gonip

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

So basically I protected Ovi, and then I receive the PM saying that you betrayed your partner. I have no idea about what happened involving Gonip

Sigh. . . assuming you're telling the truth, then Ovi is lying about seeing you, which means he likely lied about the messages, which means he likely sent the messages.

I have an idea but I am bot sure:

I could be redirected to myself. So I see you and you see me "betraying". Biggs likes those kind of ornaments to cover what is really happening like swaping mails to mind voices.

What do you think?

4 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Sigh. . . assuming you're telling the truth, then Ovi is lying about seeing you, which means he likely lied about the messages, which means he likely sent the messages.

Message at night 1.

Nothing at night 2 (no one talked about that and it would helped me)

An epic lie at night 3. Tirion didn't receive a message.

And the more you insist in that the more I think you are lying.

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I have an idea but I am bot sure:

I could be redirected to myself. So I see you and you see me "betraying". Biggs likes those kind of ornaments to cover what is really happening like swaping mails to mind voices.

What do you think?

I'm still confused. You were redirected to yourself, so you saw you visit you, then we got messages saying you betrayed. . . who again?

3 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I have an idea but I am bot sure:

I could be redirected to myself. So I see you (Visovics) and you see me "betraying". Biggs likes those kind of ornaments to cover what is really happening like swaping mails to mind voices.

What do you think?

Yo are not helping. Not even a little.

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Message at night 1.

Nothing at night 2 (no one talked about that and it would helped me)

An epic lie at night 3. Tirion didn't receive a message.

And the more you insist in that the more I think you are lying.

Night 2 was before JJ died? A message was purportedly sent accusing him of being untrustworthy. I know I got a message last night, and Visovics appears to have gotten the same. . . so if I got a message and Vis got a message, and there is only 1 Hutt, why are you suspicious of us?

To sum up what we have so far:

Visovics claims to have been visiting Ovinomanc3r, and got a message saying Ovinomanc3r betrayed his comrade

Ovinomanc3r saw Visocis visit me

I got a message saying Ovinomanc3r betrayed his partner

Onidsen slept peacefully

Because the messages have so far been lies, I am hesitant to trust them. At the same time, either Visovics is lying about visiting Ovinomanc3r, which means he too is lying about getting a message,and is likely the hutt sending the messages, or Ovinomanc3r is lying about watching Visovics, which means he's lying about the rather harmful messages, and is the Hutt sending the messages.

Alternatively, both of you are being confused, and Onidsen is the Hutt.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Night 2 was before JJ died? A message was purportedly sent accusing him of being untrustworthy. I know I got a message last night, and Visovics appears to have gotten the same. . . so if I got a message and Vis got a message, and there is only 1 Hutt, why are you suspicious of us?

N1 I received the message pointing to JJ

D2 We lynched Norell.

N2 Madgahmire died. No message to anyone.

D3 PT pointed to Tirios. We lynched JJ.

N3 PT died. Tirion received a message (false!)

D4 Tirion lynched.

N5 Caribbean died. You received a message (?)

I don't trust on those message even being real. That is why I want the most exact wording about Visovics PM. Not just what the message says. I would like to know how Biggs ornamented that cause there is a difference between receiving the message as the consequence of his visit and receiving the message as an additional thing.

The only one on which I trust right now is Visovics. His story about the message about me betraying was before yours. It would be a great coincidence if he invented that and then you have the same...

Hmm

Or he gave you the message.

That would explain he knowing your message. You receiving the message. Me seeing him visiting you (Ghost)

Actually this would be the only way to a false bodyguard to save the day. If he killed me at night he was done!!

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

N1 I received the message pointing to JJ or Norell - Both were townies.

D2 We lynched Norell.

N2 Madgahmire died. CNinja got a message saying JJ couldn't be trusted. - He was townie.

D3 PT pointed to Tirios. We lynched JJ.

N3 PT died. Tirion received a message (false!)

D4 Tirion lynched.

N5 Caribbean died. You and Visovics (?) received a message

I don't trust on those message even being real. That is why I want the most exact wording about Visovics PM. Not just what the message says. I would like to know how Biggs ornamented that cause there is a difference between receiving the message as the consequence of his visit and receiving the message as an additional thing.

Corrections in bold. Outcome in bold red.

I know the messages exist, since I got one, CNinja got one, you got one (?) and Vis got one (?). I doubt they're truth though, since so far all the other messages have been false. That leaves us with a dilemma. Given that ovinomanc3r and Visovics' descriptions of their events last night clash, one of you two is likely lying. The liar's ID will likely determine who we trust, since if Ovinoman3r's lying, then all messages (given their reputation) are suspect - indeed, if ovinomanc3r is sending the messages, then maybe Tirion did get the message he said, which implies that the hutts don't actually know who each other are.

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

The only one on which I trust right now is Visovics. His story about the message about me betraying was before yours. It would be a great coincidence if he invented that and then you have the same...

Hmm

Or he gave you the message.

That would explain he knowing your message. You receiving the message. Me seeing him visiting you (Ghost)

Actually this would be the only way to a false bodyguard to save the day. If he killed me at night he was done!!

I know what my Inbox held, so I am inclined to believe that either it's coincidence and we both got it, or he made it up.

That matches with:

- no redirecting cause we didn't have a redirection before.

- Tirion working with the message against me. The message source were Hutt and they tried it to take advantage.

- you voting Tirion the first last day where he didn't talked what would be a really bad Hutt move.

- Caribbean pointed to Tirion, Onidsen and... Visovics!! If a don't remember wrongly.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

or he made it up

I.e. sent it.

Yes, but one thing we have been following without question is your claim to be a watcher, which always happened to give nothing until the moment that a lynch on a villager wins the game for a hutt basically.

Also, Biggs' PM was a simple "You received a message: " followed by a "Ovinomanc3r betrayed his partner"

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Corrections in bold. Outcome in bold red.

I know the messages exist, since I got one, CNinja got one, you got one (?) and Vis got one (?). I doubt they're truth though, since so far all the other messages have been false. That leaves us with a dilemma. Given that ovinomanc3r and Visovics' descriptions of their events last night clash, one of you two is likely lying. The liar's ID will likely determine who we trust, since if Ovinoman3r's lying, then all messages (given their reputation) are suspect - indeed, if ovinomanc3r is sending the messages, then maybe Tirion did get the message he said, which implies that the hutts don't actually know who each other are.

My message never said anything about Norell! It just said JJ cannot be trusted.

When did Caribbean receive a message? Please quote cause I never noticed about that.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

My message never said anything about Norell! It just said JJ cannot be trusted.

When did Caribbean receive a message? Please quote cause I never noticed about that.

I thought you said that you received a message referring to both JJ or Norell,and that if one was innocent, the other was guilty?

CNinja never posted that he received the message. What do you think 'special' townie means? He told me through a different medium.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Norell,and

That comma will haunt me forever. . .

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I thought you said that you received a message referring to both JJ or Norell,and that if one was innocent, the other was guilty?

CNinja never posted that he received the message. What do you think 'special' townie means? He told me through a different medium.

I said that I supposed the message came from Norell as he was the only one who voted JJs

Special ALIGNMENT. Caribbean was a moisture farmer