There is also the possibility I'm wrong and Norell is innocent, the real Hutts are probably trying to setup in up to look like I'm a Hutt if he didn't turn out to be one...clever girl.

But I still think its Norell, but maybe I'm the one being played.

JJ is starting to sound VERY suspicious, but still, Caribbean pointed out some interesting points in red (specially the 75%) percent ones so I'm going to go

##Vote Norell

But I'm still keeping an eye open for JJ

All right! Now that JJs became suspicious too suddenly he's not so sure about me any more?

It's getting obvious that whatever I say JJs and Caribbean will inerpret it as proof of my guilt. I guess my redemption will come only if you lynch me first...

8 hours ago, Tirion said:

So which direction should we go? If you're 75% sure norell is innocent what is your percentage on JJ? Or anyone else for that matter?

The main problem is that I cannot be sure about the nature of my night incident. I am really confused.

How you would be is you are said vanilla and then get a pm during the night?

I am reticent to explain myself openly cause there is a chance of uncovering a powerful townie role. Where I ended was that Norell and JJs are involved in a way that one of them is hutt (or a fool). With the last one as the winner in my mind.

However if the town need a deeper explanation I could give that and wash my hands. We have a bodyguard after all and he would have a chance of proofing himself.

Well I have nothing to hide so I would suggest to tell us your story. As I said before I'm just a moisture farmer so you can't reveal any secret identity of mine. If you have any information against JJs now would be a good time.

But then again, JJs will argue that I olny want to reveal a juicy target for the Hutts. Responding on that, I KNOW I have no affection or affiliation to any overgrown slug and it seems ovi knows that too. So if JJs is against revealing what you know, that means he has something to hide. Also that would mean he doesn't really want to know who is who in this town.

And I wouldn't wait till tomorrow because now that you revealed that you have information the goons will likely go after you to keep themselves in the dark...

4 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

The main problem is that I cannot be sure about the nature of my night incident. I am really confused.

How you would be is you are said vanilla and then get a pm during the night?

I am reticent to explain myself openly cause there is a chance of uncovering a powerful townie role. Where I ended was that Norell and JJs are involved in a way that one of them is hutt (or a fool). With the last one as the winner in my mind.

However if the town need a deeper explanation I could give that and wash my hands. We have a bodyguard after all and he would have a chance of proofing himself.

Well, this pretty much cinches the fact for me that we have to lynch either @JJs Juggernaut or @Norell .

At least we have something to go on. If that doesn't pan out, then we'll know Ovinomanc3r has misled us.

2 hours ago, Norell said:

Well I have nothing to hide so I would suggest to tell us your story. As I said before I'm just a moisture farmer so you can't reveal any secret identity of mine. If you have any information against JJs now would be a good time.

But then again, JJs will argue that I olny want to reveal a juicy target for the Hutts. Responding on that, I KNOW I have no affection or affiliation to any overgrown slug and it seems ovi knows that too. So if JJs is against revealing what you know, that means he has something to hide. Also that would mean he doesn't really want to know who is who in this town.

And I wouldn't wait till tomorrow because now that you revealed that you have information the goons will likely go after you to keep themselves in the dark...

Ok. I was going to wait until a majority of the town said something but if you say I can, let's go:

At the start of the day 1 I see a PM from Biggs and I said "well, friend, those mother fuckers killed you again" but when I checked it I found a completely different story.

It seems I woke up hours before the sun rises. Something struggled my head and a quote:

You hear a voice in your head: "JJ cannot be trusted"

As you can imagine what I thought was WTF! is that. I asked Biggs. He didn't help me and basically told me "your problem".

I did a research and I found a role called neighbour who can talk (with some variations) to others. It seems this role could be in addition to other roles.

So I was wondering why the hell that guy told be JJ is not trustworthy instead of tell me he does. And was interesting the way he wrote:

Why JJ cannot be trusted rather than you shouldn't trust JJ? I know the difference is little but it makes me think that, maybe, this neighbour is something else like cop or hutt.

Anyway I had no idea about who could be that neighbour and then Norell pointed to JJ so:

- He had similar PM. Not too probable.

- He sent me the message. Probably.

So I ended with Norell being a neighbour and, maybe a cop/hutt. In order to save a possible cop (and the fact that Norell didn't claim even being pretty close to death) I choose to lynch JJ. If he is not hutt then Norell does.

Now, with Norell peacefully ready to my revelations I started to think he is not a cop so three options opened to me:

1 He is not a neighbour . It should anyone else or Biggs just cheating me.

2 if he is not a cop, then is hutt. But that would be suicidal and really poor played cause the town didn't push me to write this post yet.

3 he is townie neighbour, and he didn't have a based idea about why JJ cannot be trusted but he told me anyway cause he believes that by heart.

In fact, now I wouldn't be against Norell's lynching. 2 would really help. 1 and 3 don't hurt the town too much as it would do of he was a cop.

I let you think about it. Maybe you could put those pieces together better than I did.

I am still digesting your post Ovin, but just wanted to react to the fact that the censor doesn't pick up f*ckers.

Noted for future use.

Sigh. . . what you wrote is enough to become seriously concerned with voting either, but still, I think we should choose. JJ is supposedly untrustworthy. That's the gist of the missive. If Norell sent it, then either he's a hutt and is lying, or stating an opinion. Unless he's the cop, but why would the cop have two roles? If he didn't send it, then either we have another tracker, or Truthiness sent it from the dead? I heard that some roles could do that. . . you mentioned earlier that you are unsure what happened: you could have been drunk, or it could have been drug related. In Star Wars there's a drug called glitterstim that allows the user to read minds. . . maybe you had some of that? That would imply that either you 'spied' on JJ and got that impression, or you heard someone think that. . .

So either it was opinion, misdirection, or fact. That hasn't gotten us anywhere, admittedly, but it did add in a couple more support arguments for some.

If Norell is the neighbor, then it's likely his opinion. I too doubt that he got a message, as he has made no mention of it. If Norell isn't the neighbor, then perhaps you got it from a reliable source. If Norell is lying, it'd be of use to target someone who voted him yesterday, but at the time few were as suspicious of JJ as they were of others, so it would have made more sense to pick out somebody else, like Tirion who voted last, rather than a some-what trustworthy (at the time) person.

Overall therefore I have come to the rather shaky conclusion that as we have to vote one or the other (as the two most likely options at the moment), we have nothing to lose from voting JJ now, and if he's innocent, then voting Norell tomorrow. . . What do you all say?

Hmm, as Norell is rather close to hammer, and I want to discuss this a bit more, I shall

##vote JJ

To both take some pressure off of Norell, and put some on JJ.

Okay that is about where I stand too (3 votes JJ, 3 votes Norell)

@ovinomanc3r let us dissect this...

I am understanding that:

This morning you get a voice in your head that says "JJ cannot be trusted."

You suspect Norell sent you this message, because he pointed to JJ.

Issues here:

JJ is specifically mentioned in your message. That is a red flag either way. He is still a prime suspect. Yes, he this may be a misdirection, but he is definitely mentioned.

@Norell could very well be trying to influence your mind, but we are only assuming here. I'm still wary of his previous posts.

I'm inclined to push @JJs Juggernaut on this. If I had to vote right now (only 8 hours left) I think I'd vote for him because of the evidence.

I could be convinced to vote JJ, with the understanding that the next two votes go ovino/norell in that order if JJ comes up town.

Barring anything new and super incriminating coming up, of course. Ovino's post reads to me as either our power roles starting to work, or a really convuluted hutt attempt to save one of their number.

Although I may talk against my own case here, but I have to admit that I did not send that message. I asked ovi to revel his story because I knew there could be nothing incriminating about me in it. Should I have risked it if I had any reason to be concerned about the content of the message?

But whoever it was, he is at least as suspicious about JJ as I am. That really should mean something...

4 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I could be convinced to vote JJ, with the understanding that the next two votes go ovino/norell in that order if JJ comes up town.

Barring anything new and super incriminating coming up, of course. Ovino's post reads to me as either our power roles starting to work, or a really convuluted hutt attempt to save one of their number.

Yup. I agree.

Unless there is a stronger trail to Norell (I'm just a little fuzzy on Ovin's logic on the connection) I think we go JJ first.

Hopefully we snag a hutt. If JJ comes up town then we vote Ovin/norell.

There arent any mafia roles that allow for you to talk into someones head right?

Not mafia the game mafia the criminal underlords.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

There arent any mafia roles that allow for you to talk into someones head right?

It seems neighbours can play both factions.

Do you understand now why I didn't post it since the beginning?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

You can't exclude the possibility that the Hutts have a night sister brother or a rogue Force user....

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

Could you and did you communicate with your neighbor? or did you just hear a voice in your head?

16 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I could be convinced to vote JJ, with the understanding that the next two votes go ovino/norell in that order if JJ comes up town.

I am curious about the order.

If JJ being town means that I am mafia saving another mafia (Norell) what that order means?

Maybe you being mafia trying to do a triple tap on town? JJ, night victim and me before Norell could be sacrifice.

Nice move

4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Could you and did you communicate with your neighbor? or did you just hear a voice in your head?

Just a voice.

Biggs didn't tell me I could talk back.