All,

As we all know by now, the new MKII title allows the Starviper to perform a banked barrel roll. Since the only other ship that can perform this is relatively untested (poor Lt. Lorrir), I thought I would play around in Vassal and see what new possibilities are opened up by the title. It turns out there are quite a lot. I'll start of with a standard Starviper, and then move into one with Advanced Sensors, because that is where things start to get crazy.

To give you an idea of how much ground the Starviper can cover, here are all of the possible ending locations if the Viper performs a standard maneuver, and then BRs backwards.

Nothing too crazy here. The most notable results is that the viper can turn essentially drift to the side and then turn 90 degrees (bank followed by a BR in the same direction), and flip almost 145 degrees on the spot (1 hard followed by a bank in the same direction)

Here are all of the possible endings if you perform a standard maneuver, and then BR forward:

As you can see, the Starviper can end up pointing in almost any direction, and is especially notable for its ability to essentially move straight forward and then turn at 90 degrees (bank followed by a BR in the opposite direction).

Below are the results once you add in Advanced Sensors (AS). This is where things start to get crazy.

Here are all of the possible moves if the Starviper does an AS BR back and right (displaying both left and right simultaneously becomes too cluttered, but you get the idea):

And here are the same results if you AS BR right and forward:

Below are some interesting highlights:

90 Degree K-Turn

For all those times when you are being followed:

90 degree K-turn

Talon Roll

The rough equivalent of performing a banked BR forward without maneuvering.

I'm sure I've missed some, but as you can see the possibilities are mind boggling. As someone who loves to fly Starvipers, this is very cool, and will hopefully help breathe some life back into this ship.

I can only imagine that it gets crazier with the likes of PTL & AS

8 minutes ago, Innese said:

I can only imagine that it gets crazier with the likes of PTL & AS

PTL AS, dialing in the green 1 bank. Ghosted locations are intermediate

43 minutes ago, Rakaydos said:

PTL AS, dialing in the green 1 bank. Ghosted locations are intermediate

After looking at this, I'm not sold on PTL for the viper. It doesn't seem to accomplish anything useful that it couldn't do with a different EPT.

Just now, Sabre 7 said:

After looking at this, I'm not sold on PTL for the viper. It doesn't seem to accomplish anything useful that it couldn't do with a different EPT.

I never was. Limits your maneuvers too much when you have to do greens. I'd rather have the crazy stuff you can do with hard turns and sloops and take another ept to help out. I'm going to be testing intensity on guri

My favorite ship in the game has become a leaf on the wind

1 minute ago, Dengar5 said:

My favorite ship in the game has become a leaf on the wind

So.... the new harpoon missile will one-shot it reliably?

7 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

So.... the new harpoon missile will one-shot it reliably?

Hahaha

16 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

So.... the new harpoon missile will one-shot it reliably?

Pop culture reference FTW.

30 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

So.... the new harpoon missile will one-shot it reliably?

I see what you did there. not cool/still too soon

Salt in LT Lorrir's Blood Stripe.

Now how about cloaking device ?

1 hour ago, VanderLegion said:

I never was. Limits your maneuvers too much when you have to do greens. I'd rather have the crazy stuff you can do with hard turns and sloops and take another ept to help out. I'm going to be testing intensity on guri

I ran AS/Intensity/Titles/AT/BMST Xizor with 3 ABT/Unhinged Thugs. I liked it much better than PtL, because of having a much more limited dial on the next turn

Just now, Forgottenlore said:

So.... the new harpoon missile will one-shot it reliably?

Yeah, all the StarVipers better Wash out.

3 hours ago, Sabre 7 said:

All,

As we all know by now, the new MKII title allows the Starviper to perform a banked barrel roll. Since the only other ship that can perform this is relatively untested (poor Lt. Lorrir), I thought I would play around in Vassal and see what new possibilities are opened up by the title. It turns out there are quite a lot. I'll start of with a standard Starviper, and then move into one with Advanced Sensors, because that is where things start to get crazy.

To give you an idea of how much ground the Starviper can cover, here are all of the possible ending locations if the Viper performs a standard maneuver, and then BRs backwards.

Nothing too crazy here. The most notable results is that the viper can turn essentially drift to the side and then turn 90 degrees (bank followed by a BR in the same direction), and flip almost 145 degrees on the spot (1 hard followed by a bank in the same direction)

Here are all of the possible endings if you perform a standard maneuver, and then BR forward:

As you can see, the Starviper can end up pointing in almost any direction, and is especially notable for its ability to essentially move straight forward and then turn at 90 degrees (bank followed by a BR in the opposite direction).

Dude!! Amazing!! I was saying this yesterday that the bank barrel roll with Advanced Sensors open up the dial so much! It made Vipers so friggin awesome ships to dodge arcs and find enemies to their arcs.

Let the knife fight start!

I was always sold to Advanced Sensors with Vipers. EPT is bit tricky, PTL restricts too much because it lacks green moves, Expertise is very good candidate, as well Intensity might be good, you need something to give some actions or that maneuverability will be kinda useless, Guri is good options now, but lacks bit PS to be really awesome. Stress is worse enemy of this ship pretty much if you want to keep nthe maneuverability.

Just flew AS Guri with Intensity against a friend, he had all lower PS (X7 Def, Phantom, and 2 Strikers) and she never took damage, only took shots from him when I was ok with it, was always able to re-charge Intensity. It was truly mind-boggling. I started playing right after the Phantom nerf, is this what the Phantom felt like? Guri was untouchable!

I'll probably try expertise as well, and posibly predator. With expertise you can focus for defense, or save the focus from her ability for the same. With AS and the title there's a lot of options for turning without needing the sloops.l if you run expertise. Predator means you still need to focus or get her ability to fully modify shots, but means you get refills too, and have that even if you don't get a focus. Intensity lets you get evades to go with her free focus, but requires recharging. The one game I've tested it so far she got to use it once then died before she could recharge

I might try VI advanced sensors xizor too for arcdodging shenanigans, but then you have no modifiers...

10 minutes ago, Zazaa said:

Guri is good options now, but lacks bit PS to be really awesome.

As we learned from Ryad, PS hardly matters when you're pulling moves no one else can keep up with.

2 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

As we learned from Ryad, PS hardly matters when you're pulling moves no one else can keep up with.

Guri actually has the potential to be able to keep up with ryad. Too bad you don't also get the free evade every round...

It's interesting to note that because the 1-bank template is longer than a 1-straight (the same size as a ship base), you can pretty comfortably BR through ships in close proximity.

1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:

Guri actually has the potential to be able to keep up with ryad. Too bad you don't also get the free evade every round...

Ryad WISHES she could move like Guri. Guri can end up facing almost any direction from her starting position. Ryad is limited to her single axis. Although, Ryad often has PTL so she can triple action every turn.

reminds me of decloaking with Echo in the old rules. I think the Starviper is going to get some much needed love, as long as the new pilots are worth taking