Just now, JRosen9 said:

I was just thinking about the ring retains its type line. We know that you can do a political and military conflict. We also know that if you pass, your second conflict can be either type. What if the exact rule is,

"When you declare a conflict, choose a conflict type that you do not have in your claimed ring pool"

This would allow you to still go after military if your military challenge was changed to political by the phoenix or if your first military attack didn't go very well. It also gives relevance to the way rings are in your claimed pool

I would like to note, that without the rulebook, we don't actually have the "exact rules" yet. Yes, that is something they put on the webpage, but the phrasing might be different.

1 minute ago, JRosen9 said:

I was just thinking about the ring retains its type line. We know that you can do a political and military conflict. We also know that if you pass, your second conflict can be either type. What if the exact rule is,

"When you declare a conflict, choose a conflict type that you do not have in your claimed ring pool"

This would allow you to still go after military if your military challenge was changed to political by the phoenix or if your first military attack didn't go very well. It also gives relevance to the way rings are in your claimed pool

The problem I see with this line of thinking is that you can claim rings (though not get the benefits) while defending. So if someone declares a military conflict against me and I win, a rule like that would mean that I couldn't declare a military conflict.

Of course, one could differentiate between rings claimed from attacking vs defending, but this starts sounding a bit too complex to me. I mean, the game is supposed to be rather complex, but something like that would really best have two different types of tokens to show offense rings vs defense rings, if that were the case.

5 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

The problem I see with this line of thinking is that you can claim rings (though not get the benefits) while defending. So if someone declares a military conflict against me and I win, a rule like that would mean that I couldn't declare a military conflict.

Of course, one could differentiate between rings claimed from attacking vs defending, but this starts sounding a bit too complex to me. I mean, the game is supposed to be rather complex, but something like that would really best have two different types of tokens to show offense rings vs defense rings, if that were the case.

Ah yes ... forgot about the claiming while defending. That does put a damper on this idea

They could be using, or just leaving open design space for, effects that care what kind of rings you have claimed. "Play if you have a claimed Military Earth ring" for example.

You know, I wonder if they might cheat us Unicorn a preview or two as well, since all signs point to us being the last clan to be showcased.

33 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

You know, I wonder if they might cheat us Unicorn a preview or two as well, since all signs point to us being the last clan to be showcased.

I think each clan loyalist is convinced their clan is going to be last :P.

36 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

You know, I wonder if they might cheat us Unicorn a preview or two as well, since all signs point to us being the last clan to be showcased.

What signs?

52 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

You know, I wonder if they might cheat us Unicorn a preview or two as well, since all signs point to us being the last clan to be showcased.

Signs or not, previews would be nice.

36 minutes ago, Mirith said:

What signs?

All of them.

Serious answer: We have a long tradition of getting our previews last, though perhaps that will change.

I like the idea of this card a lot but a spell without a shugenja requirement kind of bugs me for pure fluff reasons. I've never played an FFG LCG before, how do keywords on playable effects like this function? It has the Spell tag on it, what's that likely to mean as the game actually play?

I know the next L5R Live is supposed to be about the Lion, but I think my question is going to be for them to explain this card, as it seems to have mystified us all.

11 minutes ago, Daidoji Mumei said:

I like the idea of this card a lot but a spell without a shugenja requirement kind of bugs me for pure fluff reasons. I've never played an FFG LCG before, how do keywords on playable effects like this function? It has the Spell tag on it, what's that likely to mean as the game actually play?

The traits on cards mean nothing in themselves,, but maybe we will see eventuaully shugenja that might be caoable to search the deck for a spell, or that reduce the cost of a spell and plenty such things, so there will be card interaction between shugenja and spells, but nothing as a general rulebook rule.

For fluff purpose, just imagine a story were the casting of teh spell basically happens off screen and you only see the effects but never saw the catser or the casting. And well, it is a Phoenix card, and the Phoenix are known for their shugenja, so even when you don't see the Phoenix casting it, you can assume that there was soemwhere a shugenja around to do it.

17 minutes ago, Daidoji Mumei said:

spell without a shugenja requirement kind of bugs me for pure fluff reasons.

Some spells are so unimportant that you do not need named or generic shugenja to cast them. Your clan has enough resources to have nearby some unnamed shugenja to cast such spells and then fade back into the background while important characters leech your fate.

2 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

All of them.

Serious answer: We have a long tradition of getting our previews last, though perhaps that will change.

If Unicorn have to wait until after Mantis, I will feel bad for Unicorn but still be absolutely ecstatic. XD

Cards like this and the scholar seems to reinforce the idea that Phoenix need to win that first attack to maximize their cards.

I could potentially see this being the influence card of choice for Dragon ring decks. Just being able to recoup fate from the Togashi Initiate (although it's a wash if it's just 1 fate) is nice and being able to screw with your opponent might be worth it too. Who cares about Dragon Voltron?

3 hours ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

I think each clan loyalist is convinced their clan is going to be last :P.

Nope. We were never in doubt.

It seems to me that the power of this card has little to do with going after the same ring twice, but more to do with the way that Phoenix clan abilities work. Look at Solemn Scholar and Isawa Masahiro; they both have very powerful abilities, but can only be triggered if certain rings have been claimed or are being contested. That makes them very narrow and unreliable. Cards like Know the World will be necessary to make sure you can trigger those abilities. For Solemn Scholar in particular, you're guaranteed to be able to trigger it if you win your first conflict, you either claim earth with that conflict or swap for it. I'm not convinced that paying a fate to possibly trigger the same ring twice will be something that's worth 3 influence.