1 minute ago, Drudenfusz said:

Since the ring remains of the same conflict type, that would tell me you cannot claim it a second time, since if you have done so say political, then the reing remains political and you can only do a military conflict then this turn. So, no claiming the ring twice in the same turn!

Yes that makes sense, not being able to change the ring conflict type... also explains the wording. Except if you did not declare the attack type. i.e got it as the defender?

1 minute ago, Isawa Tasatu said:

Yes that makes sense, not being able to change the ring conflict type... also explains the wording. Except if you did not declare the attack type. i.e got it as the defender?

Yes, as defender it seems like it could work.

3 minutes ago, BayushiCroy said:

Attack military and claim fire.

Defend. Opponent takes air

Play this card and swap fire for void

Attack political and claim fire.

I think the point is it maintains itself as a 'military' ring and therefore you could not choose it as a political conflict. Except unless you won it as a defender and had not declared that conflict...

As the word "ring" in the italized text is singular, I don't think it refers to both rings, but only to the newly claimed ring. As for why they don't specily it, I think that unclaimed rings can't have a coinflict type to retain so it's not necessary.

8 minutes ago, Drudenfusz said:

Since the ring remains of the same conflict type, that would tell me you cannot claim it a second time, since if you have done so say political, then the reing remains political and you can only do a military conflict then this turn. So, no claiming the ring twice in the same turn!

6 minutes ago, BayushiCroy said:

Attack military and claim fire.

Defend. Opponent takes air

Play this card and swap fire for void

Attack political and claim fire.

I agree with BayushiCroy. I think that is the intended interaction.

In the sentence, Retain the ring's conflict type, I believe this refers to the ring type being put into your claimed pool.

An unclaimed ring does not have a conflict type, as far as I know.

The conflict type of a ring is defined when it is contested. So, if it's unclaimed, it can't be a political unclaimed ring.

Just now, Joe From Cincinnati said:

I agree with BayushiCroy. I think that is the intended interaction.

In the sentence, Retain the ring's conflict type, I believe this refers to the ring type being put into your claimed pool.

An unclaimed ring does not have a conflict type, as far as I know.

I thought that at first as well..... now I'm just confused. I Love playing Phoenix!

4 minutes ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

I agree with BayushiCroy. I think that is the intended interaction.

In the sentence, Retain the ring's conflict type, I believe this refers to the ring type being put into your claimed pool.

An unclaimed ring does not have a conflict type, as far as I know.

The conflict type of a ring is defined when it is contested. So, if it's unclaimed, it can't be a political unclaimed ring.

Why cannot remain political, since teh rings have these two sides, and the wording of the card is likely to have a reason, which I think points exactly to my interpretation. Also, who knows, maybe there will come later other cards, which say that claimed political rings count twice for the imperial flavour or such things. Sorry, but to me it makes sense that the conflict type remains relevant.

Hang on a sec here... yes the new ring claimed may keep the conflict type of the original claimed ring? But that does not mean that the original claimed ring swapped into the unclaimed pool now keep's its conflict type does it?

9 minutes ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

I agree with BayushiCroy. I think that is the intended interaction

Likewise - in the conflicts article, they say that the side declaring a conflict will set both the element and the conflict type. Feels like it would be pretty awkward for gameplay if the rings remained in whatever state they were in when sent to the unclaimed pool and could not be changed - how could you ever declare a military fire conflict if someone else had previously declared a political fire conflict. It is also possible that all unclaimed rings are considered neutral when it comes to their conflict state.

1 minute ago, Isawa Tasatu said:

Hang on a sec here... yes the new ring claimed may keep the conflict type of the original claimed ring? But that does not mean that the original claimed ring swapped into the unclaimed pool now keep's its conflict type does it?

THIS.

Let's say you have claimed a Military Earth ring. When you play this spell, whatever ring you trade it out for retains the Military status of the ring you had.

Phoenix play style.... drop this card and watch your opponent give up in confusion while you try to explain how everything in your deck works.

4 minutes ago, Isawa Tasatu said:

Phoenix play style.... drop this card and watch your opponent give up in confusion while you try to explain how everything in your deck works.

Going to time, I see.

14 minutes ago, Isawa Tasatu said:

Phoenix play style.... drop this card and watch your opponent give up in confusion while you try to explain how everything in your deck works.

Is filibustering a core rule, or does the Phoenix stronghold let them do it?

More evidence that Phoenix are dedicated honor runners -- allows a second use of air if you win the first one.

Baller status card... so good! You can deny opponents rings, you can double up on a ring you favor, you can steal fate... so many applications.

2 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Is filibustering a core rule, or does the Phoenix stronghold let them do it?

It a requirment to play Phoenix... there is a test and everything!

2 minutes ago, Eugene Earnshaw said:

More evidence that Phoenix are dedicated honor runners -- allows a second use of air if you win the first one.

I think that Phoenix will be majority honour against most clans, but probably switch to military against Crane and Scorpion.

1 minute ago, Mr Omura said:

Baller status card... so good! You can deny opponents rings, you can double up on a ring you favor, you can steal fate... so many applications.

This so much this

4 minutes ago, Eugene Earnshaw said:

More evidence that Phoenix are dedicated honor runners -- allows a second use of air if you win the first one.

Or they are the masters of fate death since they could claim Void twice and rip two fate off the opponent's characters. It is a void spell after all...........

If you are defeated by the Ring of the Void's effect, do you disappear from reality altogether?

I could see this getting splashed into Crane for some serious Ring of Air honor running......

Win Ring of Air with Hotaru, gain +2 honor, twice. Then swap Ring of Air out for something else, reclaim the Ring of Air for another +2 honor......I'd be willing to bet that could put the Crane within striking distance of an honor victory with just a couple honor bids and/or honored character deaths.

Glad it has 3 bamboo pips on it or the Asahina would be stealing all the Phoenix tricks.

3 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

If you are defeated by the Ring of the Void's effect, do you disappear from reality altogether?

No, you just reach enlightenment and become a monk in some monastery, no longer interested in the worldly affairs.

I really like the flavor of this card and Phoenix mechanics appear to be complex and fun!

On a lore level. Do you think they are working on reworking void spells for Shugenja to make them more accessible?

1 hour ago, Drudenfusz said:

No, you just reach enlightenment and become a monk in some monastery, no longer interested in the worldly affairs.

Again with Dragon Clan references.

Insert your own Kaiser Soze joke here.

1 hour ago, Mirith said:

On a lore level. Do you think they are working on reworking void spells for Shugenja to make them more accessible?

I doubt it. I think this is an effort to address the old Phoenix Curse in the CCG: Too Many **** Moving Parts.

I was just thinking about the ring retains its type line. We know that you can do a political and military conflict. We also know that if you pass, your second conflict can be either type. What if the exact rule is,

"When you declare a conflict, choose a conflict type that you do not have in your claimed ring pool"

This would allow you to still go after military if your military challenge was changed to political by the phoenix or if your first military attack didn't go very well. It also gives relevance to the way rings are in your claimed pool