I like to play all sorts of decks , none really you could call top tier , but they can be competitive if things go my way, but none of my decks can beat Poe/Maz or Poe/Rey
Am I wasting my time , should I just give the game away ?
I will not play Poe/Maz myself.
It is difficult to play against. I would suggest watching YouTube videos with Poe, Max. What is your favorite? The young Vader with Kylo should do well against it. Just always go for Poe. Without him there is no damage. No matter what he rolls always remove his dice whenever possible.
I built an ePalpatine deck that eschewed the usual weapons and most of the abilities and instead loaded up on dice control and discard events. I played Poe-Maz with it and kicked their butts by controlling Poe's dice and through Palpy's ability I just ground them down.
I am confused... you admit the decks you play are not top tier, but then complain and ask about quitting because you can't beat a top tier deck.
PoeMaz can be beat by many other top tier decks, and if you are playing in a top tier tourney and you expect to do well then you will need a top tier deck.
Now, if your goal is to have fun and play random jank that you enjoy playing, then it shouldn't matter what you play against. Odds are you won't see a PoeMaz because they will be in the winners bracket and you won't be.
I have been to three events with Maz/Poe decks present and they haven't won any.
4 hours ago, Keithandor said:
I like to play all sorts of decks , none really you could call top tier , but they can be competitive if things go my way, but none of my decks can beat Poe/Maz or Poe/Rey
Am I wasting my time , should I just give the game away ?
I will not play Poe/Maz myself.
This game in a big investment so quit only if you don't like the game or if your are not feeling the CCG format. Don't quit because of a couple of broken decks. There will always be decks like this in any CCG. Plus things will change as the game moves forward. I don't play any of the 4 Top-tier decks and I love playing because I think it is a great game. Work on making your decks the best they can be. And accept when a deck is just weak in the current meta and switch up to something else.
Poe/Maz really makes me excited to see what will come out in the 3rd set to contend with the utter destruction that deck brings. Perhaps interrupt cards, or new forms of damage mitigation. Maybe it will open up characters that feel over-costed, and hamstrung starting with only 3 dice? For now, I'll stick with the characters I love from the movies, and leave the competition scene alone.
1 hour ago, Amanal said:I have been to three events with Maz/Poe decks present and they haven't won any.
I love the way people say this like it means anything.
Just now, Buhallin said:I love the way people say this like it means anything.
I've seen Barcelona lose 3 times - they're definitely not a great football team.
2 minutes ago, The Penguin UK said:I've seen Barcelona lose 3 times - they're definitely not a great football team.
Yeah, but it was the three games you were at, so that means they matter more!
6 hours ago, Keithandor said:but they can be competitive if things go my way
BB8 also can be competitive if things go your way.
Exacly what @Bigulf said - what you expect playing non top tier deck vs top of tops tier deck?
Plus it has really strong counters:
-Kylo, can easy outdamage it with a bit of luck, plus you wanna play on emps throne room anyway.
-Dice removal shuts it down half of the time (other half is Maz/FastHands/HitnRun
-Damage mitigation is most reliable counter - Poe want to burst you down, if you block that and start a long game of attrition - it usually loses.
If you try to straight outdamage it....well good luck with that.
Ive made an eJinn, eMaz deck with tons of shields and healing, and it does well against eVader/Royal Guard and emoVader and Kylo. As long as i dont lose Maz to sillyness its pretty easy. by turn 3 i have force protection or lone operative and im just laughing off any damage. the only scary part is discard decks, as the deck isnt super agro and cant deal tons of damage out at any given time. its more of a damage over time deck, and i usually win when we both have around 8 cards left in our decks. the amount of healing/shields is pretty crazy. Anyone thought about this type of deck going against Poe/Maz?
1 hour ago, robguyday said:Ive made an eJinn, eMaz deck with tons of shields and healing, and it does well against eVader/Royal Guard and emoVader and Kylo. As long as i dont lose Maz to sillyness its pretty easy. by turn 3 i have force protection or lone operative and im just laughing off any damage. the only scary part is discard decks, as the deck isnt super agro and cant deal tons of damage out at any given time. its more of a damage over time deck, and i usually win when we both have around 8 cards left in our decks. the amount of healing/shields is pretty crazy. Anyone thought about this type of deck going against Poe/Maz?
..eJyn eMaz is 31 character points....
Edited by blackholexan1 hour ago, robguyday said:Ive made an eJinn, eMaz deck with tons of shields and healing, and it does well against eVader/Royal Guard and emoVader and Kylo. As long as i dont lose Maz to sillyness its pretty easy. by turn 3 i have force protection or lone operative and im just laughing off any damage. the only scary part is discard decks, as the deck isnt super agro and cant deal tons of damage out at any given time. its more of a damage over time deck, and i usually win when we both have around 8 cards left in our decks. the amount of healing/shields is pretty crazy. Anyone thought about this type of deck going against Poe/Maz?
How do you get Force Protection in a Jyn/Maz deck?
2 minutes ago, kingbobb said:How do you get Force Protection in a Jyn/Maz deck?
Probably the same way theyre getting an 11 point emaz in a list with a 20 point ejyn...
He meant eQui-Gon Jin / eMaz maybe?
Nothing is undefeatable in this game. Know the strengths and weaknesses of your deck and the decks in your meta. With SoR, Milling and Resource denial/destruction is a very real mechanic that can be built into a deck.
10 hours ago, Buhallin said:I love the way people say this like it means anything.
People have certainly been doing the inverse as well. See the ever popular Poe/Maz took 3 of the Top 4 at my local SC, FFG ban/errata it now FB thread.
2 hours ago, Stu35 said:Probably the same way theyre getting an 11 point emaz in a list with a 20 point ejyn...
Yeah it's almost like he wrote eJinn instead of eJyn on purpose or something.
3 minutes ago, ScottieATF said:People have certainly been doing the inverse as well. See the ever popular Poe/Maz took 3 of the Top 4 at my local SC, FFG ban/errata it now FB thread.
True enough. And there certainly isn't enough data in the result pool to draw any real conclusion.
But Poe/Maz is winning a lot of events - not just "this is what happened at mine", but "Winning close to 2/3 of events as of last week". While people of both viewpoints may be doing this, there is at least a broader base of data to back up those who think it's a problem.
I guess I'm saying that both are bad, but one is less justifiably bad than the other.
5 hours ago, robguyday said:Ive made an eJinn, eMaz deck with tons of shields and healing, and it does well against eVader/Royal Guard and emoVader and Kylo. As long as i dont lose Maz to sillyness its pretty easy. by turn 3 i have force protection or lone operative and im just laughing off any damage. the only scary part is discard decks, as the deck isnt super agro and cant deal tons of damage out at any given time. its more of a damage over time deck, and i usually win when we both have around 8 cards left in our decks. the amount of healing/shields is pretty crazy. Anyone thought about this type of deck going against Poe/Maz?
I've got an eHan/eRey shield-up deck with protective mentor. Offense is all the Force Speed shenanigans, with Holdout/Vibro, so it still aggro a quickly. The way it can shield up three or more every turn protects against Poe. I'm now winning about 8 of 10 against the standard Poe/Maz builds.
I think shields and Protective Mentor are a great counter to Poe. Anything that buys you that extra turn to kill him off.
2 hours ago, ScottieATF said:Yeah it's almost like he wrote eJinn instead of eJyn on purpose or something.
In that case they can get tae for not giving Ataru Master Qui-Gon Jinn, hero of the jedi order and student of the living and cosmic force his full honorifics.
yeah i meant qui gon jinn. should i have said eQuiGonJinn and spelled it all out? sheesh.
anyways, the deck is doing well. although it is slower against mill decks, which seem to be about 33% of the decks out there. hero and villain side. Maz/padme/mothma usually decks me because of con artist.
I think most people would probably have understood QGJ.
The guy playing eMaz/eGin* has a point: if you can survive Poe's burst damage, you can probably win the game. If you did want to try EJyn/Maz you could stock up on Ammo Belts, Second Chances, and Lone Operatives. Bring them back from the dead with Rebel and Cheat. You can force your opponent to chew through, just, like, an ocean of health. Pair that with little plinks of damage and you might outlast his big cards and actually win the thing (or at least run him to the clock).
*You know, cause of Liam Neeson's rampant alcoholism in the nineties.