16 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Have you tried playing the rebels? They have the best support figures in the game (regarding movement and access to focus and modifying dice) They have great defense figures and troopers. They have face-smashers and access to more command cards than any of the other factions. Give them a try, I feel like you're giving up before even playing the game. Sure they have some clunkers and some over-costed figures, but they also have some great figures and I'd prefer all the factions not being identical as I play them all.

It's the only faction I play, period!

Every list must include either C3PO or Gideon. Every list must include Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker or eRangers after that if that's not the nucleus of the list throw in either (Hera, Chopper, or Obi-Wan for mild variances) not much to choose from then if you just trooper spam even then you don't have a chance unless you play on a favorable map;

Give me a competitve list without Jedi Luke, eRangers or 3PO included??

Most Rebel lists are comprised of: Jedi Luke, 3PO, Gideon, Obi-Wan and eRangers (that's 36 not much wiggle room after that) and not many competitive lists after that core: Hera, Chopper (for control purposes) possibly R2D2, eEcho possibly.

Why can't you include Jedi Luke or 3PO? I like the eEBT, but sure, they are better when focused (as are most things) I like Davith and Lando, Gideon and 3PO. I think both rangers are great picks but they are not auto includes. eSabs require a delicate hand and they can be a bit feast/famine on their dice, but they can be played well. Hera is amazing, Chopper is useful on all the maps, Both Lukes are good, Obiwan is good as well. I've had good success with Lando and Han (I know they're overpriced, but still potent) and even Jyn.

"Can the Rebels compete" was the question, I'd say yes with the above figures they can.

9 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Why can't you include Jedi Luke or 3PO? I like the eEBT, but sure, they are better when focused (as are most things) I like Davith and Lando, Gideon and 3PO. I think both rangers are great picks but they are not auto includes. eSabs require a delicate hand and they can be a bit feast/famine on their dice, but they can be played well. Hera is amazing, Chopper is useful on all the maps, Both Lukes are good, Obiwan is good as well. I've had good success with Lando and Han (I know they're overpriced, but still potent) and even Jyn.

"Can the Rebels compete" was the question, I'd say yes with the above figures they can.

So how many Rebel list ended up in the Top 16 at Worlds again? Since you say they can compete, and how many Rebel lists won even Regional Championships?

And in the current meta who's not taking Jedi Luke or C3PO (there auto-include); the point here is Rebels might have 3-5 viable characters, and another 3-4 viable support characters; and in the map selections currently, the improvements to the Scum faction recently (IG-88/Jawa spam) and throw in the auto-include "Temporary Alliance" - and the Rebels fall behind both the Empire and Scum factions drastically. Before you mention the (6pt. Sashka Teft) remember that's 17% of the lists cost when in comparison "Temporary Alliance" is 1 pt.

To me, I think your mind has been made up that they aren't playable, but to each their own.

As far as the OP, to play a list that's rebels, and that doesn't include Temp alliance, I like playing this list. It's a lot of fun. I know ideally, Chewie is currently broken, but I have a lot of fun playing him, he's by far my favorite figure in the game currently. I use 3po as my running defense, who stays with my guns. 8 activations allows me to slow roll chewie, unless I have his card. I know most people don't like loku, but with a focus, and hidden in the back he can get damage through. His card is also great. I also use strength in numbers, which allows me any two activations other than chewie. lots of combinations on which two to activate. The hard counter is the weequays for chewie, but with on the lam and hard to hit, keeping chewie alive isn't terrible. Anyway, I know it didn't make worlds, but to the OP, it's a rebel list that can be competitive for local events.

• ▪ Chewbacca

• ▪ Lando Calrissian

• ▪ Gideon Argus

• ▪ Hera Syndulla

• ▪ C-3PO

• ▪ R2-D2

• ▪ Loku Kanoloa

• ▪ C1-10P

• ▪ Heroic Effort

14 minutes ago, ImperialOfficer said:

To me, I think your mind has been made up that they aren't playable, but to each their own.

As far as the OP, to play a list that's rebels, and that doesn't include Temp alliance, I like playing this list. It's a lot of fun. I know ideally, Chewie is currently broken, but I have a lot of fun playing him, he's by far my favorite figure in the game currently. I use 3po as my running defense, who stays with my guns. 8 activations allows me to slow roll chewie, unless I have his card. I know most people don't like loku, but with a focus, and hidden in the back he can get damage through. His card is also great. I also use strength in numbers, which allows me any two activations other than chewie. lots of combinations on which two to activate. The hard counter is the weequays for chewie, but with on the lam and hard to hit, keeping chewie alive isn't terrible. Anyway, I know it didn't make worlds, but to the OP, it's a rebel list that can be competitive for local events.

• ▪ Chewbacca

• ▪ Lando Calrissian

• ▪ Gideon Argus

• ▪ Hera Syndulla

• ▪ C-3PO

• ▪ R2-D2

• ▪ Loku Kanoloa

• ▪ C1-10P

• ▪ Heroic Effort

This is is thinking outside the box for sure, as to it's competitiveness I would say it may fall short; using Gambit/"Cheat to Win" and Lando is something not normally seen either, besides Chewbacca all together. But otherwise Gideon, C-3PO (are auto-include) and both Hera/Chopper are steadily moving up into more lists.

1 hour ago, Cgriffith said:

It's the only faction I play, period!

Every list must include either C3PO or Gideon. Every list must include Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker or eRangers after that if that's not the nucleus of the list throw in either (Hera, Chopper, or Obi-Wan for mild variances) not much to choose from then if you just trooper spam even then you don't have a chance unless you play on a favorable map;

Give me a competitve list without Jedi Luke, eRangers or 3PO included??

Most Rebel lists are comprised of: Jedi Luke, 3PO, Gideon, Obi-Wan and eRangers (that's 36 not much wiggle room after that) and not many competitive lists after that core: Hera, Chopper (for control purposes) possibly R2D2, eEcho possibly.

Every Scum list includes eQuays - 2 if you're serious. Every Imp list includes Terro and Jets.
Not every unit can be as cost-effective as each other. The game isn't perfect.

29 minutes ago, caseycheesecake said:

Every Scum list includes eQuays - 2 if you're serious. Every Imp list includes Terro and Jets.
Not every unit can be as cost-effective as each other. The game isn't perfect.

Of course I'm serious; you may want to add most every Scum list includes C3PO as well. As to your last point "The game isn't perfect" no truer words have been spoken

12 hours ago, Majushi said:

That calculator is awesome, but is anyone able to contact the maker?

I would really like to see it updated so that you can add negative modifiers also.

(i.e. -Dodge for the Hired Guns, -Damage for the Gamorreans, -Surge or Evade for Weakened)

The developer recently answered a question I posted on his GitHub and updated some libraries for his codebase. When I get a chance, I'll take a look at getting some modifications into my branch that adds stuff like you suggested... and reroll logic.

16 hours ago, thereisnotry said:

That's true. It'll probably end up being a situation where the Ahsoka player would do well to pre-memorize the average (or is it mean? mode? median? lol) dice roll result from Blue/Green/Green dice so that he/she will know whether it's worth risking the reroll or not (assuming that the first roll doesn't get the job done).

Well, any player would be wise to pre-memorize the average dice roll result from their figure's dice so they're not wasting an action on a risky shot...

What about

eRangers
eEcho
eEcho / Leia
Hera
Chopper
Gideon
C3P0

or perhaps

eRangers
eRangers
Hera
Chopper
Gideon
Mak
C3P0 + diplomatic mission

or you could sub in Leia for Hera/Mak/Diplomatic mission

You asked " Can Rebels even compete in the current game state?"

I answered yes, so did some other people. Worlds is more of a popularity contest than a competition in my opinion. There are good players there, don't get me wrong. There are also good Merc figures in the game but there are also good Imperial and Rebel figures/deployments.

Give me the breakdown of all the participants and what factions they played at worlds, and then quantify how many of those were serious contestants. From blogs and even posts on this site, there are several people who go to play games and hang out whereas there are just as many that go to compete for prizes. The best players will naturally rise to the top no matter what they are playing. Mercs have a lot of great figure options right now that are competitive, but so do the other factions, Your post and attitude make it sound like there is no hope, no competition and I think you're wrong, but we'll never know if you keep living in fear.

There's way too much whining and ranting and not enough playing in my opinion.

5 hours ago, Cgriffith said:

So how many Rebel list ended up in the Top 16 at Worlds again? Since you say they can compete, and how many Rebel lists won even Regional Championships?

I won a regional with a Rebel list. I find mercs are more consistently reliable with their command cards, but this is solid:

-Jedi Luke
-eRangers
-C3PO
-Gideon
-R2D2
-Murne Rin
-rSmuggler
-Rebel High Command

This was pre-Hera, so take it as you will, but Murne gives you free hides and access to some solid command cards as a spy + leader. With all the command card draw, I never went without Son of Skywalker. I think you could've seen rebels in the top 16, but with hunters being the new hotness, many people simply chose not to BRING rebels. They weren't proportionally represented.

Worth noting, admittedly, Rangers suffer a bit on Jabba's map.

4 hours ago, mellowthello said:

I won a regional with a Rebel list. I find mercs are more consistently reliable with their command cards, but this is solid:

-Jedi Luke
-eRangers
-C3PO
-Gideon
-R2D2
-Murne Rin
-rSmuggler
-Rebel High Command

This was pre-Hera, so take it as you will, but Murne gives you free hides and access to some solid command cards as a spy + leader. With all the command card draw, I never went without Son of Skywalker. I think you could've seen rebels in the top 16, but with hunters being the new hotness, many people simply chose not to BRING rebels. They weren't proportionally represented.

Worth noting, admittedly, Rangers suffer a bit on Jabba's map.

Congratulations on a Regional Championship, nice list also.

On 2017-5-31 at 8:03 PM, buckero0 said:

You asked " Can Rebels even compete in the current game state?"

I answered yes, so did some other people. Worlds is more of a popularity contest than a competition in my opinion. There are good players there, don't get me wrong. There are also good Merc figures in the game but there are also good Imperial and Rebel figures/deployments.

Give me the breakdown of all the participants and what factions they played at worlds, and then quantify how many of those were serious contestants. From blogs and even posts on this site, there are several people who go to play games and hang out whereas there are just as many that go to compete for prizes. The best players will naturally rise to the top no matter what they are playing. Mercs have a lot of great figure options right now that are competitive, but so do the other factions, Your post and attitude make it sound like there is no hope, no competition and I think you're wrong, but we'll never know if you keep living in fear.

There's way too much whining and ranting and not enough playing in my opinion.

Basically this, they can compete but if they're a small amount less efficient than something else, the top players will most of the time take the "something else"

I'm confident I know a ton of players who could take rebels to a major event and compete

On 5/31/2017 at 2:28 PM, mellowthello said:

I think you could've seen rebels in the top 16, but with hunters being the new hotness, many people simply chose not to BRING rebels. They weren't proportionally represented.

Worth noting, admittedly, Rangers suffer a bit on Jabba's map.

There was one rebel group in the top 16. My buddy beat him to advance to the top 8.

I don't mind the rangers on Jabba's palace. They pretty much have to go out the door and try to shoot down the hallways, but they're far from useless. Only a couple spots they can't get LOS to.

repost below

I'll try and do a couple of Rebel lists for the channel, I could avoid jLuke / c3po / eRangers but I'm not sure how that really proves a point, as some people said higher up every faction has various options that are good/bad/indifferent and that's to be expected.

One unit of eSabs with Targeting Computers is still great. When focused by 3PO and Gideon, they hit like a truck. And they are spies for some Spy Cards tricks.

Gideon and 3PO are two of the best support units in the game. They are staples in 2 factions.

Chopper is OP. He is so good for terminal control ...

I've played Mak a lot recently. He is a cheap activation, he is a spy, if you can manage to finish someone of with him, his skill is great. The only thing I don't like about him is, that he should have 5 health. But actually, most figures one shot him, no matter if he has 4 or 5 health.

Jedi Luke and the Power Rangers are just great.

... actually I think that Rebels are better than the Empire at the moment.

3 hours ago, DerBaer said:

... actually I think that Rebels are better than the Empire at the moment.

..... at the moment, until the real boss comes to town.

3 hours ago, Mep said:

..... at the moment, until the real boss comes to town.

Hilarious ?. At my local store's tourney yesterday, someone busted out old school Vader and he squared off against Jedi Luke. It was so iconic. Can't wait until that's a staple of the game.

-ryanjamal