News have come from the new Lego sets for episode VIII, and so the resistance ships are "Resistance bombers", which explains their size compared to the fighters. They still don't have a name and could possibly be a new (insert letter here)-wing. Thoughts?

Dang those are some heavy bombers. . . I like 'em, but man. . . would they ever put something like that into Armada do you think? Given both its size and thus potential firepower. They'd probably be only speed 1. . . or flotillas?

How would that be? Speed 2 bomber flotillas?

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Dang those are some heavy bombers. . . I like 'em, but man. . . would they ever put something like that into Armada do you think? Given both its size and thus potential firepower. They'd probably be only speed 1. . . or flotillas?

How would that be? Speed 2 bomber flotillas?

probably either a slow flotilla with 2 black dice on all sides or a very expensive single squadron with some impressive battery and of course bomber and heavy keywords, in the same way the falcon was a squadron (the latter being the least likely)

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

probably either a slow flotilla with 2 black dice on all sides or a very expensive single squadron with some impressive battery and of course bomber and heavy keywords, in the same way the falcon was a squadron (the latter being the least likely)

Yeah, but don't forget counter. It has 2 gunner stations, so it would hypothetically have at least counter 1, if not 2.

So Bomber, Heavy, Counter 1(2), ridiculously expensive. . . or a flotilla. Which would be cheaper, do you think?

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yeah, but don't forget counter. It has 2 gunner stations, so it would hypothetically have at least counter 1, if not 2.

So Bomber, Heavy, Counter 1(2), ridiculously expensive. . . or a flotilla. Which would be cheaper, do you think?

They would probably be close, as a squadron it would be at least 40+ because it NEEDS at least 3 black battery for the size, and still the counter, it would be a monster and people would flood with it otherwise. As a flotilla, it shouldn't be much more expensive, around the 60 points, because with only double black arcs, it would 1) require skill to pull it off properly with the double arc and 2) with a maximum of 4 dice, and vulnerable, it shouldn't be too expensive. Players may flood them, but the vulnerability from long range and the slow speed would make it free points to the enemy, so it encourages strategic play with it.

We will get to see a resistance carrier at least. We do see two x wings fall out of a hanger bay and we see Poe and BB-8 running into a hanger bay.

4 minutes ago, chr335 said:

We will get to see a resistance carrier at least. We do see two x wings fall out of a hanger bay and we see Poe and BB-8 running into a hanger bay.

If I'm not wrong they announced there would be a space battle, and internal trailers were said to have a resistance fleet (although they may have meant the heavy bomber wing...)

Just now, Visovics said:

If I'm not wrong they announced there would be a space battle, and internal trailers were said to have a resistance fleet (although they may have meant the heavy bomber wing...)

Again We see inside some kind of space hanger

As I see them they act as slow, sniping heavy small ships formed in a kind of a line of fire maybe, protecting something?

Id put them as a flotilla or small base ship: 4 red dice at the front and no dice at the sides an rear hulls. 2 blue anti-squadron. Speed 2 (1 ||, 2 | -). Wide open front hull angle, more than a pizza. 3 HP for a flotilla, 4 HP for a ship. Evade + Scatter for a flotilla, Brace + Evade for a ship. 3-1-1 shields. Turbolasers - Weapons - Officer - Support - (flotilla upgrade if flotilla). 1 Command 2 Squadron 2 Engineering.

2 versions of it:

• Support the one mentioned above.
• Torpedo could change 3 red dice for 3 black dice. And one blue die anti-squadron for a black one. Swap Turbolasers for Ordnance. Squadron 1.

Around 40-45 points if ship. Around 28-35 points if flotilla.

The heavy fighter version would be like:

9-10 hull?, 2 black 1 blue anti-squadron, 2 red 1blue anti-ship, speed 2-3?, Heavy, Strategic, Relay 2. 19 points.

5 minutes ago, xerpo said:

As I see them they act as slow, sniping heavy small ships formed in a kind of a line of fire maybe, protecting something?

Id put them as a flotilla or small base ship: 4 red dice at the front and no dice at the sides an rear hulls. 2 blue anti-squadron. Speed 2 (1 ||, 2 | -). Wide open front hull angle, more than a pizza. 3 HP for a flotilla, 4 HP for a ship. Evade + Scatter for a flotilla, Brace + Evade for a ship. 3-1-1 shields. Turbolasers - Weapons - Officer - Support - (flotilla upgrade if flotilla). 1 Command 2 Squadron 2 Engineering.

2 versions of it:

• Support the one mentioned above.
• Torpedo could change 3 red dice for 3 black dice. And one blue die anti-squadron for a black one. Swap Turbolasers for Ordnance. Squadron 1.

Around 40-45 points if ship. Around 28-35 points if flotilla.

The heavy fighter version would be like:

9-10 hull?, 2 black 1 blue anti-squadron, 2 red 1blue anti-ship, speed 2-3?, Heavy, Strategic, Relay 2. 19 points.

35+7+9=51 points for a gunnery teamed flotilla with spinals. 5 red dice out the front against two targets. . . and a scatter? That's nasty. That's the price of a naked Neb, which can only get 4 dice out the front and no gunnery teams. With Leia as Admiral you could have 6 dice+reroll then 5 dice.

Also, if it's a squadron, it'd have to have Bomber, since its name is Resistance Bomber. . .

Hmm, they're not TOO big to be a 'transport' squadron for Armada. You know like the Decimator and the Corellian transports.

They sound like Rebel Decimators. Which, meh. Hardly ever see VT-49s in the game as it is, regardless of cool appearances.

2 minutes ago, Nostromoid said:

They sound like Rebel Decimators. Which, meh. Hardly ever see VT-49s in the game as it is, regardless of cool appearances.

The problem would be on how they are heavy bombers, this would provide much more significant ship damage than the VT-49s

2 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

35+7+9=51 points for a gunnery teamed flotilla with spinals. 5 red dice out the front against two targets. . . and a scatter? That's nasty. That's the price of a naked Neb, which can only get 4 dice out the front and no gunnery teams. With Leia as Admiral you could have 6 dice+reroll then 5 dice.

Also, if it's a squadron, it'd have to have Bomber, since its name is Resistance Bomber. . .

Yeah his projected points costs are a bit out to lunch (too cheap).

I think ffg also learned their lesson the first time about how giving ships scatter can't use the same numbers on scatter for a squad.

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

35+7+9=51 points for a gunnery teamed flotilla with spinals. 5 red dice out the front against two targets. . . and a scatter? That's nasty. That's the price of a naked Neb, which can only get 4 dice out the front and no gunnery teams. With Leia as Admiral you could have 6 dice+reroll then 5 dice.

Also, if it's a squadron, it'd have to have Bomber, since its name is Resistance Bomber. . .

Well thats what they are meant for, bet for the dice instead of the ramming everyone is complaining about and basically makes what the NeB should be for a lower cost and with a coherent punishment if flanked. At the very moment you flank them they are basically useless. This encourages skill play not just roll dices, move forward, ram, repeat.

Besides, it is only a prototype

Edit: About the squadron type, indeed they should have bomber but I thought that would raise up the cost too much. Maybe drop relay to 1, add bomber with 3 red (more random than blues) and drastically raise up the cost to something between 24-26. No rogue tough.

When I measured them considering the fighters around them and the TIE that crashes against one, the ship is about 80-90m long. So its that size that could be a Flotilla or like the Hammerhead.

And in my opinion it's one of the ugliest ships in the canon/legends.

1 minute ago, melminiatures said:

And in my opinion it's one of the ugliest ships in the canon/legends.

Looks like the NeB front without the stupid, useless, weak side hulls. I like it.

I think they'll be a flotilla.

Imagine this - 4 red dice in front, 2 blue on sides and rear. 1 shield all around, 3 hull, and NO SCATTER. Evade and redirect only. This way you may very well be able to 1 shot it before it shoots.

I'd also say lets give it a turbolaser slot so it can use it's evade for TRC if you really want to go glass cannon.

Just now, Crabbok said:

This way you may very well be able to 1 shot it before it shoots.

Then you are designing a decoy, not a viable ship

31 minutes ago, xerpo said:

Well thats what they are meant for, bet for the dice instead of the ramming everyone is complaining about and basically makes what the NeB should be for a lower cost and with a coherent punishment if flanked. At the very moment you flank them they are basically useless. This encourages skill play not just roll dices, move forward, ram, repeat.

Besides, it is only a prototype

Edit: About the squadron type, indeed they should have bomber but I thought that would raise up the cost too much. Maybe drop relay to 1, add bomber with 3 red (more random than blues) and drastically raise up the cost to something between 24-26. No rogue tough.

Well if it's a flotilla it wouldn't be ramming, since flotillas only give damage to themselves when rammed. So that's no the problem. For 51 points I could fit 6 of these in a fleet and still have a decent fighter screen. . . it would be a forward-facing equivalent of the Cracken CR90 spam. Definately I could fit 3 and a liberty for some serious firepower.

24 minutes ago, melminiatures said:

When I measured them considering the fighters around them and the TIE that crashes against one, the ship is about 80-90m long. So its that size that could be a Flotilla or like the Hammerhead.

And in my opinion it's one of the ugliest ships in the canon/legends.

Actually, I quite like the design. I mean, the Lego version has wings on the side, which the angle here doesn't let me see, but still, I like 'em. T-Wings, perhaps?

so Snoke is on the Lego FO Star Destroyer. He probably is much more directly involved, which is good, his identity is the only thing really interesting me right now.

Rogue One proves people really want more capital ship battles.

Dog fights are fun but honestly what more can they do with them that we havent seen in eight movies now? Of course I want to see more starfighter sparring but let the big boys brawl!

7 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Rogue One proves people really want more capital ship battles.

Dog fights are fun but honestly what more can they do with them that we havent seen in eight movies now? Of course I want to see more starfighter sparring but let the big boys brawl!

Well, by extension I think the universally acknowledged best battle sequence in Revenge of the Sith is the opening with the gigantic Battle for Coruscant. The big space ship battles have been a thing ever since the first Star Destroyer thundered overhead in A New Hope. They're just hard to show in a way that's easy for watchers to understand. Even old time WW2 movies had to depend on actual war footage to show naval battles that looked realistic.

Large-scale combat is difficult to show in a way that makes sense. That's one of the reasons it's typically done from the perspective of an individual soldier, or in this case, a fighter pilot.

What about a tiny base ship

with a tiny base movement.

On 5/27/2017 at 7:02 AM, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Dang those are some heavy bombers. . . I like 'em, but man. . . would they ever put something like that into Armada do you think? Given both its size and thus potential firepower. They'd probably be only speed 1. . . or flotillas?

How would that be? Speed 2 bomber flotillas?

Yes they will put this into armada. That have said something along the lines of "if you see it on screen it is only a matter of when."