I play Imperials, and I hate that when I'm using an Upsilon with a Defender or a Decimator or a Phantom, I feel like I shouldn't be breaking the fourth wall and having ships from different eras. Two questions for the forum:
1. Why did FFG decide to put TFA stuff into a Civil War era game?
2. If they have the nerve to do that, why won't they do it for the prequels?
I have the feeling they just like to mess with us...
Edited by Celestial Lizards15 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:I play Imperials, and I hate that when I'm using an Upsilon with a Defender or a Decimator or a Phantom , I feel like I shouldn't be breaking the fourth wall and having ships from different eras. Two questions for the forum:
1. Why did FFG decide to put TFA stuff into a Civil War era game?
2. If they have the nerve to do that, why won't they do it for the prequels?
I have the feeling they just like to mess with us...
1. Because there's new movies coming out and they'd be insane not to release the ships from them
2. Becaues they aren't new movies currently releasing and the factions in the prequels are a lot harder to fit into the factions from the original game
I can't mix the eras. Just can't do it. I'd buy prequel ships before TFA era ships, though. In fact, I'm currently assembling a small fleet of prequel ships for my rebel fleet that I'm pretending are a unit of poorly outfitted rebels. A couple of the ships are 3D printed and one is a Hot Wheels die cast ship. But, if FFG won't make them, I'll resort to methods some might consider to be unnatural.
30 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:1. Why did FFG decide to put TFA stuff into a Civil War era game?
2. If they have the nerve to do that, why won't they do it for the prequels?
1. Because it's not exclusively a GCW era game, that's just what they started with and, like was mentioned, they are a business and have to capitalize on the new hotness or risk alienating their customers more.
2. They will, they just haven't gotten around to it much yet because there is new stuff coming out still. Plus, there is an irrational hatred of the prequels in a sizable chunk of the fan base.
46 minutes ago, Celestial Lizards said:I play Imperials, and I hate that when I'm using an Upsilon with a Defender or a Decimator or a Phantom, I feel like I shouldn't be breaking the fourth wall and having ships from different eras. Two questions for the forum:
1. Why did FFG decide to put TFA stuff into a Civil War era game?
2. If they have the nerve to do that, why won't they do it for the prequels?
I have the feeling they just like to mess with us...
Edited by Marinealver
I always felt that decision was simply because First Order and Resistance could not stand alone as different factions due to literally being two ships each.
Eventually, when they gain enough 'critical mass' from the films or comics, I bet they will splint onto their own factions.
Well back on topic of breaking timeline paradox. keep in mind you are playing a game where Biggs Darklighter can be next to an E-wing fighting TIE Defenders.
The gameplay design was obvious, there was not enough ships in a 2 ship wave to justify a new faction let alone 2 new factions. So the solution was simple let those ships join with allied factions.
Anyways if you want a format that separates the subfactions in the primary factions then I have one for you that you could try out. That way a Resistance list is different from a Rebel Alliance list.
If you dislike mixing eras, I suggest you organize one of these in your area:
http://dockingbay416.com/introducing-the-ot-x-wing-format/
It is a casual tournament that uses only original trilogy ships. I see no reason that you couldn't similarly organize one for other eras. I am about to run one next week. The biggest change that we're making is that the players determine who plays which faction each round randomly instead of letting one player choose.
I'm really looking forward to it.
1 hour ago, Celestial Lizards said:I play Imperials, and I hate that when I'm using an Upsilon with a Defender or a Decimator or a Phantom, I feel like I shouldn't be breaking the fourth wall and having ships from different eras.
While I agree with what you are saying and generally try not mix eras as well, that is not what "breaking the forth wall" means. At all. I'm not trying to not pick, but I just couldn't help myself. Breaking the Forth Wall is a term used in theater and film for when a character in a production directly addresses the audience.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall
Sorry, nit pick over. Carry on.
To answer question 1, it was probably partly because of massive pressure from Disney, plus $$ in their eyes as well. Also since TFA just reused old ship designs but "updated" them, it made it easy to include in the current game, as it's still x-wings vs tie fighters!
For the second question, I could name a bunch of reasons that are all likely, but to me at least they're all lame reasons.
I'm kind of in the same boat as the OP, but only using ships that are currently canon (pilots are not subject to this). No E-Wings, K-Wings, HWK-290s (for the Rebels anyway), TIE Phantoms or TIE Punishers, but that's just me. When I play my friends, I don't hold them to my silly rule. I mean, the only ships we have from the current Era are 2 X-wings, 2 TIE Fighters, and the SLIGHTEST remodel of the YT-1300. They look close enough to the classics that it doesn't really phase me much at all.
What I'd like to see eventually is Resistance/New Republic and First Order get enough ships to be their own factions... Hell, I'm hoping we get to see a T-85 X-Wing with cards to help out the T-65 and T-70 X-Wings a smidge.
Now, as for the OPs second question, would you want Old Republic and Separatists being their own, unique faction with no Rebel/Empire cross play? If you DID want that, how would you do the split? 99% of Separatist fighters were droids that needed control ships and there isn't really enough space in there to retrofit a cockpit for an organic pilot. The Empire used Republic fighters for a short while until TIE Fighters were rolled out... so, would Rebels get Republic hardware too? (well, they already have the ARC-170...)
Because money? They're a business whose model for this game was producing a game based on the ships of a popular fictional universe. A slew of new movies - and therefore ships - were announced, which essentially gives them free advertising and a potentially expanded customer base for the next 5 years, as well as an ever growing list of characters and ships to choose from, all of which will have earned a fan base by the time they hit the shelves.
Basically, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot to not release TFA stuff.
3 hours ago, Jehan Menasis said:I always felt that decision was simply because First Order and Resistance could not stand alone as different factions due to literally being two ships each.
Eventually, when they gain enough 'critical mass' from the films or comics, I bet they will splint onto their own factions.
In fairness, when X-wing started it had a few decades of lore to draw from. TFA was one movie. I doubt that they'll split into factions after integrating them from the start, but a faction specific series of cards in the future wouldn't surprise me.
2 hours ago, Kehl_Aecea said:I'm kind of in the same boat as the OP, but only using ships that are currently canon (pilots are not subject to this). No E-Wings, K-Wings, HWK-290s (for the Rebels anyway), TIE Phantoms or TIE Punishers, but that's just me. When I play my friends, I don't hold them to my silly rule. I mean, the only ships we have from the current Era are 2 X-wings, 2 TIE Fighters, and the SLIGHTEST remodel of the YT-1300. They look close enough to the classics that it doesn't really phase me much at all.
What I'd like to see eventually is Resistance/New Republic and First Order get enough ships to be their own factions... Hell, I'm hoping we get to see a T-85 X-Wing with cards to help out the T-65 and T-70 X-Wings a smidge.
Now, as for the OPs second question, would you want Old Republic and Separatists being their own, unique faction with no Rebel/Empire cross play? If you DID want that, how would you do the split? 99% of Separatist fighters were droids that needed control ships and there isn't really enough space in there to retrofit a cockpit for an organic pilot. The Empire used Republic fighters for a short while until TIE Fighters were rolled out... so, would Rebels get Republic hardware too? (well, they already have the ARC-170...)
Hwk is actually canon now
I'm an empire and FO player and I never mix. The FO faction can really by now stand on its own. Also I wish to repaint a punisher and a defender as FO but first Ill wait for the movie.
1. Because the mouse is a shameless moneymaker with their primary concern being efficient resource use, including FFG.
2. Because TFA was a blatant copy of the Classic trilogy, it's essentially the same movie, whereas the prequels had a plot of their own.
I'll buy and fly the ships for their mechanics (and quietly superior efficiency), but not a day goes by when I wouldn't prefer to fly a Delta-7 with Obi-Wan
I see, y'all haven't mastered the power of fluffification, yet. Resistance with rebels? That one is easy, the resistance is a bunch of individuals who often brought their own ships into the fleet. Heck, Home One is still their flagship! Totally believable to have a pilot that just prefers sticking with their old T-65 over that new fashioned junk, they don't make them how they used to, back in my day hurr durr.
Imperials with FO is a bit more tricky, but possible. The large ships don't have much of a reason to be decomissioned. They aren't cutting edge anymore, b6t a Decimator still patrols well and a Lambda still transports. The higher tech TIEs like Defender, Punisher, Phantom are explainable as being part of retrieval missions for old tech that still holds some value. Other TIEs are hard, but they can be explained as sympathizers of the FO that purchased old empire tech (there is a culture surrounding that in new canon) that went full fanatic and want to prove their worth to the FO. Any ship can also be repainted to be treated as if it had an FO-retrofit.
Plus I would imagine that both the Resistance and First Order might have supply issues. Thus being incentivised to use older ships when they can't get/afford new ones. There are probably hundreds of thousands of old TIE fighters littering the galaxy.
How cool would a dual firespray list be with boba and jango?!
12 hours ago, Astech said:, whereas the prequels had a plot of their own.
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
*wipes away tears of mirth*
Yeah, it was a hell of a love story (about a whiny desert boy) set on a backdrop of galactic political intrigue (whereby a incredibly dumb Gungan becomes a senator) delivered with all the subtleness of a plunger ramming merchandise tie-ins up your. . .wallet.
Edited by Darth Meanie41 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
*wipes away tears of mirth*
Yeah, it was a hell of a love story (about a whiny desert boy) set on a backdrop of galactic political intrigue (whereby a incredibly dumb Gungan becomes a senator) delivered with all the subtleness of a plunger ramming merchandise tie-ins up your. . .wallet.
Unlike the original trilogy, which is characterized by a deep complex plot and unique characters. And absolutely. No. Romance.
48 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
*wipes away tears of mirth*
Yeah, it was a hell of a love story (about a whiny desert boy) set on a backdrop of galactic political intrigue (whereby a incredibly dumb Gungan becomes a senator) delivered with all the subtleness of a plunger ramming merchandise tie-ins up your. . .wallet.
I phrased my previous post very carefully to not say anything was god about the prequels, save that they were unique and distinguished from the OT...
TFA was not.
47 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:... set on a backdrop of galactic political intrigue (whereby a incredibly dumb Gungan becomes a senator) delivered with all the subtleness of a plunger ramming merchandise tie-ins up your. . .wallet.
In fairness, that's a reasonably fair description of the current US political situation too, so you can't say the storyline was entirely implausible or outlandish.
1 hour ago, Elavion said:Unlike the original trilogy, which is characterized by a deep complex plot and unique characters. And absolutely. No. Romance.
"I love you." "I know." It's classic. And Abrams got it right when they were estranged by Ep 7. At least you could conceive of Leia falling for bad-boy Han, at least for a little while. How whiny, self-centered, immature Anakin ever got educated, cosmopolitan, self-assured Padme is a mystery to me.
Anakin makes Henry Higgins look like a positively charming ladies' man.
58 minutes ago, Astech said:I phrased my previous post very carefully to not say anything was god about the prequels, save that they were unique and distinguished from the OT...
TFA was not.
I like TFA, and I would take a reasonably good copy of a prior SW film to the tragedy that was the Prequels manifest. I recently re-watched them, and as always, I really try hard to like them, but they just suck. It is some the most ham-fisted storytelling ever. I wish they could be unmade so that I can go back to dreaming about how good they will be.
Really, if Disney want to keep copying storylines (because I will not deny that TFA is an ANH rewrite), have someone go back and redo the Prequels to be good movies.
(Because you are right, the storyline is there. . .it was just very badly told.)
54 minutes ago, NakedDex said:In fairness, that's a reasonably fair description of the current US political situation too, so you can't say the storyline was entirely implausible or outlandish.
If only we could get action figures.
"Meesa make Naboo great again"
Comparing US politicians to Jar Jar is insulting to Jar Jar.
Even if he was gullible and not the brightest, at least he cared for others and wanted to do the right thing to help them which is more than many politicians can say.