Call me old-fashioned, but I tend to ship <Character X> with <Spouse of Character X>.

1 hour ago, Suzume Tomonori said:

Question: Can skills become a negative value?

Answer: They are considered zero when you need to reference them, but the negative modifier remains when figuring out if bonuses later cancel it out or not (I think I got that right?)

When they answered that I immediately started wondering how it interacts with the honor dial for dueling. I assume it will be the same with negatives counting as 0 but subtracting from the bid. What really bugs me is that it was my own question, so I have myself to blame for not taking it into consideration ahead of time .

16 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Call me old-fashioned, but I tend to ship <Character X> with <Spouse of Character X>.

Oh, you lecherous troublemaker!

14 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Call me old-fashioned, but I tend to ship <Character X> with <Spouse of Character X>.

To which point should that work in Rokugan though? Technically is not appropriate to show true love for your spouse either.

In Rokugan the only acceptable ship is 'character/Bushido' (everything else is just a distraction).

Just now, Doji Tori said:

To which point should that work in Rokugan though? Technically is not appropriate to show true love for your spouse either.

In Rokugan the only acceptable ship is 'character/Bushido' (everything else is just a distraction).

I believe that's the precise reason that I don't much care for romance in this setting. Action, adventure, intrigue, comedy, or drama in Rokugan? Great. Romance in Rokugan? Pass.

I like romance in samurai dramas when it ends with one of the parties having to decide between fulfilling their duty to family/clan/empire and saving (or not killing) the one they love.

Alternatively, I absolutely love villains in true love with each other, as it can establish a relatable rationale for selfish/villainous actions, but I think FFG will be aiming for a setting with less true "villains" and more just characters working in the best interests of their clan at the cost of other clans. (After all, Bayushis biggest lie is that he is the villain.)

41 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Call me old-fashioned, but I tend to ship <Character X> with <Spouse of Character X>.

I usually am on the same train of thoughts. Marriages many not be filled with love however it is clearly understood that it serves a purpose to oneself and to society.

However adultery is probably a common occurrence, because there may be little going on between partners. That being said homosexual adultery which is not capable of producing children might be much more acceptable as long as the marriage partners do their duty an produces heirs.

Man, I REALLY don't like shipping. Well, let me clarify: I don't care if people think "Oh, character X should be with character Y!" and then post their opinion on the forums in a polite and respectful manner. What I hate is when people are like "Character X belongs with Character Y, and because they're with Character Z in canon Character Z is now the devil incarnate and deserves to DIE!!!!!1!". So like, you know, I guess I don't hate shippers, just immature shippers.

1 hour ago, Drudenfusz said:

Sure, I am not saying that everybody should get shipped, just asking for who people would like to see being shipped.

So, lets start the shipping wars!

That was great!

22 minutes ago, Yandia said:

I usually am on the same train of thoughts. Marriages many not be filled with love however it is clearly understood that it serves a purpose to oneself and to society.

However adultery is probably a common occurrence, because there may be little going on between partners. That being said homosexual adultery which is not capable of producing children might be much more acceptable as long as the marriage partners do their duty an produces heirs.

I'm not sure, but I think it kind of depends on the relative status of the people involved. Osano-Wo publicly acknowledged his illegitimate son and even appointed him as his heir. Granted, he was a Crab and they eschew tradition if they feel is for the best, but I get the feeling that the one who needs to pass an heirloom more or less gets 'at least you are reproducing' as a reaction.

I'm REALLY old fashioned, I don't even know what we're posting about now!

1 minute ago, HirumaShigure said:

I'm REALLY old fashioned, I don't even know what we're posting about now!

Me either, so I looked it up on urban dictionary:

Ship

N: Short for romantic relationship, popularized in fanfiction circles.

V: To endorse a romantic relationship.

1 hour ago, Doji Tori said:

I'm not sure, but I think it kind of depends on the relative status of the people involved. Osano-Wo publicly acknowledged his illegitimate son and even appointed him as his heir. Granted, he was a Crab and they eschew tradition if they feel is for the best, but I get the feeling that the one who needs to pass an heirloom more or less gets 'at least you are reproducing' as a reaction.

Good point. So it boils basically down to do whatever you can know you can get away with. I think the need for an heir also might put bastards into the discussion.

Eh, nobody really should care if it's a bastard, legitimate child or an orphan you picked up and adopted. If a samurai says "this person is my child", you either agree and honor their decision, which overrides genetics, or disagree which leads to a chain shaming of the person doing the adoption (because you publicly called them a liar), the adopted (because their existence caused their adoptive parent shame), and to yourself (because you needlessly disrupted the social harmony and shamed someone in public with no good reason, you prick).

Of course, people do care and do disrupt the social harmony for randomest reasons, which is why we can't have nice things and need to go to wars and fight blood feuds.

Yeah, this thread made me feel old when the word "ship" showed up. Took me a minute to figure out what it meant.

1 hour ago, WHW said:

Eh, nobody really should care if it's a bastard, legitimate child or an orphan you picked up and adopted. If a samurai says "this person is my child", you either agree and honor their decision, which overrides genetics, or disagree which leads to a chain shaming of the person doing the adoption (because you publicly called them a liar), the adopted (because their existence caused their adoptive parent shame), and to yourself (because you needlessly disrupted the social harmony and shamed someone in public with no good reason, you prick).

Of course, people do care and do disrupt the social harmony for randomest reasons, which is why we can't have nice things and need to go to wars and fight blood feuds.

Just pointing out, adoption is a completely different situation. The whole point of adoption is to formally accept and recognize someone as being your child and heir, which is sort of the opposite of many bastard instances.

8 hours ago, WHW said:

Lion is a great breeding ground for potential gay characters. There is a lot of brothers in the arms fantasy to tap in. Ditto for Crab; love in face of war and love in face of marching onis sounds like bittersweet stories that really would fit their clans.

There seems to be a tendency to just do the lesbian relationship nowadays because it's more fashionable or easier to get away with. What's better than one hot gal? Two hot gals! What's better than two hot gals? Two hot gals kissing!

Rather than just doing "special" relationships to check a box or appease a group, just make relationships of all types with actual depth.

11 hours ago, Suzume Tomonori said:

Question: Actions without presence in conflicts

Answer: Yes, presence isn't required to use actions. Specifically, shugenja cards typically are used this way.

As a Phoenix player, this was actually the most intersting bit for me. With conflict resolution not killing the defending army the problem of not wanting to defend with spell-equipped shugenja was already solved, but I feel (hope?) not requiring presence for some spells and shugenja abilities will make them more viable and powerful than they have been in the past. The fate mechanic keeps a powerful shugenja or spell (assuming there are attachable, re-usable spells) from dominating the board, too, which I hope will open up more design options.