Duty is the main virtue of the crab so I can see a few ways it could be.

one I think of is to the card to receive an additional fate when put into play. Another is to receive 1 honor when the card successfully defends a military combat.

1 hour ago, Cold Iron1 said:

Duty is the main virtue of the crab so I can see a few ways it could be.

Courage/Yu is the main virtue of the Crab. Duty/Chugo is the main virtue of the Scorpion.

1 hour ago, Evilgm said:

Courage/Yu is the main virtue of the Crab. Duty/Chugo is the main virtue of the Scorpion.

The virtues map to the clans better now that we erased two of them.

What might Compassion do?

1 hour ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

What might Compassion do?

Take in the orphans made from destroying enemy armies, raising them to be good little Horiuchi.

10 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

What might Compassion do?

Honor the character and prevent an opponent's character from being discarded during conflicts?

1 hour ago, Network57 said:

Honor the character and prevent an opponent's character from being discarded during conflicts?

Well characters are no longer destroyed when they lose...besides, the virtue of Compassion is defined more as proper treatment of the lower castes.

8 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

Well characters are no longer destroyed when they lose...besides, the virtue of Compassion is defined more as proper treatment of the lower castes.

Right, I didn't mean by losing. I meant if some other card effect discards an opposing character.

Maybe it's Honor yourself to remove an opponent's character's Dishonor?

3 minutes ago, Network57 said:

Right, I didn't mean by losing. I meant if some other card effect discards an opposing character.

Maybe it's Honor yourself to remove an opponent's character's Dishonor?

I think you've got it!

Jin (Compassion) - Just as the farmer does not grow crops merely to fill his own belly, the warrior does not fight for himself alone. A samurai must be constantly aware of the duty to protect others.

"Through intense training the Samurai becomes quick and strong. He is not as other men. He develops a power that must be used for the good of all. He has compassion. He helps his fellow men at every opportunity. If an opportunity does not arise, he goes out of his way to find one." Akodo's Leadership

Compassion...

Reaction: When this character leaves play, you may honor target dishonorable character... ?

This of course will take that character to the "neutral" state

56 minutes ago, HirumaShigure said:

Jin (Compassion) - Just as the farmer does not grow crops merely to fill his own belly, the warrior does not fight for himself alone. A samurai must be constantly aware of the duty to protect others.

"Through intense training the Samurai becomes quick and strong. He is not as other men. He develops a power that must be used for the good of all. He has compassion. He helps his fellow men at every opportunity. If an opportunity does not arise, he goes out of his way to find one." Akodo's Leadership

Its a pity that the Lion Clan fails the virtue of Compassion as often as the Spider do...

That quote makes me really want them to state definitively whether an officiwl multiplayer variant is planned, so that I can help my fellow man defend his provinces.

I really hope we get to see more of the tenets of bushido as keywords in characters, I feel that's very flavorful and captures the essence of historical bushido quite nicely.

Keywords like Pride are also quite fun since they remind me of the Advantage/Disadvantage system in the L5R RPG and it tickles my nostalgia

Shourido on the other hand reeks of the hamfisted edgelord-samurai-counter-culture AEG was trying to push with the Spider, and I hope it stays locked up where it belongs.

The compassion keyword/trait (?) in Old5R was more about taking advantage of other peoples' "compassion". Didn't really feel right as a virtue. It had varying abilities that took effect while you had fewer provinces than your opponent.

On 26/05/2017 at 3:18 PM, Danwarr said:

Does the recently revealed "Pride" keyword match with Courage or Duty or maybe nothing at all?

I bet it is a replacement to the "Honor" virtue itself.

1 minute ago, Mirumoto Saito said:

I bet it is a replacement to the "Honor" virtue itself.

Odd that it would carry an inherent drawback, whatwith the whole idea being that Bushido is the ideal way for samurai to approach life.

1 minute ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

Odd that it would carry an inherent drawback, whatwith the whole idea being that Bushido is the ideal way for samurai to approach life.

I don't think it is a "drawback" in the full sense of the word, but a consequence of trying to live a life with Honor (or Pride).

When I first saw the "Pride" key word I disliked it immediately. After a little bit of thought, it made perfect sense to be in place of Honor in the list of virtues, to me. It is even better, actually, because of the the conflicting nature of using Honor for a lot of different things in the game and in the lore. Helps clean up the confusion.

2 minutes ago, Mirumoto Saito said:

When I first saw the "Pride" key word I disliked it immediately. After a little bit of thought, it made perfect sense to be in place of Honor in the list of virtues, to me. It is even better, actually, because of the the conflicting nature of using Honor for a lot of different things in the game and in the lore. Helps clean up the confusion.

From a mechanical standpoint I agree with you that Pride is more distinct. But I question the judgment if they are replacing Honor (meiyo) with Pride as an official setting thing. Given that the seven virtues are based on the real-world concept of Bushido, it seems like a bigger change than they'd be willing to make.

On first reading, I thought it was a play on "pride of lions" rather than purely bushido reference.

57 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

From a mechanical standpoint I agree with you that Pride is more distinct. But I question the judgment if they are replacing Honor (meiyo) with Pride as an official setting thing. Given that the seven virtues are based on the real-world concept of Bushido, it seems like a bigger change than they'd be willing to make.

What I'm saying is that they are using "Pride" as the name of the "Honor" virtue for keyword purposes. The two words are not that different, meaning-wise, either so I'm perfectly ok with the change.

7 hours ago, Mirumoto Saito said:

What I'm saying is that they are using "Pride" as the name of the "Honor" virtue for keyword purposes. The two words are not that different, meaning-wise, either so I'm perfectly ok with the change.

You conveyed that very clearly. I understood; I just don't feel that Pride = Honor, is all. Agree to disagree.

2 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

You conveyed that very clearly. I understood; I just don't feel that Pride = Honor, is all. Agree to disagree.

Ah, sorry. I thought I wasn't clear because english is not my first language and sometimes I think faster than I can type.

3 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

I just don't feel that Pride = Honor

I'm AtoMaki, and I support this opinion.

On 5/26/2017 at 1:56 AM, Ide Yoshiya said:

Imagine if someone were to master all seven tenets. What a monster they would be.

Auto Win. Opponent gathers his/her cards and tosses into the trash. ?