Hey everyone,

I could use some help with this list. I've played about 25 casual games and am ready to jump in to some local tournaments. Looking for a fun list to fly that won't get immediately stomped. This gives me 3 PS9 aces all with repositioning and they can all roll 5 dice at range 1. I like Fenn this way, but am not sure about upgrades for Zuckuss and Talonbane.

Talonbane Cobra: 33

• Push the Limit (3) or Predator (3)
• Vectored Thrusters (2)

Fenn Rau: 34

• Push the Limit (3)
• Concord Dawn (1)
• Autothrusters (2)

Zuckuss: 33

• Veteran Instincts (1)
• Fire Control System (2)
• Ketsu Onyo (1)
• Mist Hunter (0)
• Tractor Beam (1)

Thanks for the help!

This looks pretty solid to me. I think I'd go Predator on Talonbane; I can't remember the dial offhand but I don't recall it having enough green to make PtL worth it. Zuckuss looks good. Glitterstim on Talonbane would be a worthwhile investment, but I'm not sure what you'd cut...

What I might suggest is replacing one of the ships with Kavil. Kavil + TLT + Unhinged for 31 is pretty solid, which gives you points for Glitterstim if you replace Zuckuss, or you could throw R4 Agromech on there and still have points for VI. Vectored Thrusters might also be worthy of consideration. This way, you have a different form of damage dealing to go with the super unsubtle range 1 I-roll-more-red-dice-than-you. Your opponent is likely to concentrate on Talonbane and Fenn, too, allowing Kavil to put through some really steady damage.

But don't let me tell you what to play. I think your list is pretty good as-is.

I've seen variations which give way for dengar on Zuckuss instead of FCS/crew.
Makes your rerolls more flexible, but at the loss at ketsu.
But the general idea of the list looks good, albeit very hard to excecute!

I've played an almost exact replica of this list - with the exception of 4-LOM instead of Zuckuss. What you should know is that Talonbane is far worse than Fenn in every way possible. You'll find this out for yourself after the first couple games.

Once the C-ROC drops, I'd replace Talonbane with one of the aces. Genesis Red with a Mangler Cannon, in particular, looks outstanding.

Your weakness with this list is in stress-dealing mechanics since all three can't handle extra stress at all. You'll need to replace at least one of your ships with something that can handle that kind of attack.

14 hours ago, RogueOne said:

Hey everyone,

I could use some help with this list. I've played about 25 casual games and am ready to jump in to some local tournaments. Looking for a fun list to fly that won't get immediately stomped. This gives me 3 PS9 aces all with repositioning and they can all roll 5 dice at range 1. I like Fenn this way, but am not sure about upgrades for Zuckuss and Talonbane.

Talonbane Cobra: 33

• Push the Limit (3) or Predator (3)
• Vectored Thrusters (2)

Fenn Rau: 34

• Push the Limit (3)
• Concord Dawn (1)
• Autothrusters (2)

Zuckuss: 33

• Veteran Instincts (1)
• Fire Control System (2)
• Ketsu Onyo (1)
• Mist Hunter (0)
• Tractor Beam (1)

Thanks for the help!

Ive tried this build many times and i really wanted to make it work. What keeps it from being good are the amazingly bad dials for Talonbane and Zuckuss. Also i though at first that the weak link in the build would be Zuckuss but it turned out to be Talonbane. For the points he costs hes just a really bad ace.

19 hours ago, fhdz said:

This looks pretty solid to me. I think I'd go Predator on Talonbane; I can't remember the dial offhand but I don't recall it having enough green to make PtL worth it. Zuckuss looks good. Glitterstim on Talonbane would be a worthwhile investment, but I'm not sure what you'd cut...

What I might suggest is replacing one of the ships with Kavil. Kavil + TLT + Unhinged for 31 is pretty solid, which gives you points for Glitterstim if you replace Zuckuss, or you could throw R4 Agromech on there and still have points for VI. Vectored Thrusters might also be worthy of consideration. This way, you have a different form of damage dealing to go with the super unsubtle range 1 I-roll-more-red-dice-than-you. Your opponent is likely to concentrate on Talonbane and Fenn, too, allowing Kavil to put through some really steady damage.

But don't let me tell you what to play. I think your list is pretty good as-is.

Thanks! The dial isn't the greatest, so predator probably makes much more sense. I'm going to give Kavil a try too!

16 hours ago, ModernPenguin said:

I've seen variations which give way for dengar on Zuckuss instead of FCS/crew.
Makes your rerolls more flexible, but at the loss at ketsu.
But the general idea of the list looks good, albeit very hard to excecute!

I like the idea of Dengar over FCS+Ketsu. My concern for a lot of this would be how often I would even use tractor beam in the first place? It's just a nice title to add a barrel roll for the price really. Tractor beam sounds great in theory, but I think you're right: how often can you pull it off.

13 hours ago, Astech said:

I've played an almost exact replica of this list - with the exception of 4-LOM instead of Zuckuss. What you should know is that Talonbane is far worse than Fenn in every way possible. You'll find this out for yourself after the first couple games.

Once the C-ROC drops, I'd replace Talonbane with one of the aces. Genesis Red with a Mangler Cannon, in particular, looks outstanding.

Your weakness with this list is in stress-dealing mechanics since all three can't handle extra stress at all. You'll need to replace at least one of your ships with something that can handle that kind of attack.

I agree. I'm really excited about Genesis Red. I just don't know how soon I'll pick up the C-ROC.

10 hours ago, Thormind said:

Ive tried this build many times and i really wanted to make it work. What keeps it from being good are the amazingly bad dials for Talonbane and Zuckuss. Also i though at first that the weak link in the build would be Zuckuss but it turned out to be Talonbane. For the points he costs hes just a really bad ace.

This. I think my problem is that I just WANT talonbane to work.

Thank you all for the advice! I really appreciate it. I think I'll give the list a try and also see how replacing one of the ships with Kavil goes. Depending on how much I will (likely) find Talonbane the weakest he'll probably be the first to go and replaced by Kavil (or eventually genesis red).

Vaskai!!! See the home page today, the article for the Guns for Hire expansion. There's a ridiculous new title for the Khirax called Vaskai:

Reduce the point cost of each upgrade you have equipped by 1 (to a minimum of 0). You can equip up to 3 modfications.

0 points! 3 Mods!

I love Kavil with tlt, lone wolf unhinged and maybe vectored thrusters.

Super accurate tlt fire. Can get busted quickly so make sure to try not to engage with him too soon.

New khirax title is awesome, eu, vectored thrusters and auto thrusters for 5 pts