What do you expect from a Mystic Supplement?

By MitchPelon, in Star Wars: Force and Destiny RPG

A lot of what I see in the Mystic is the sort of person I'd expect to see in some planetary leaders court. The Advisor is obvious in this. The Makashi Duelist, well, courtiers engaging in duels is nothing new (and the the paragon of Makashi was a Count). The Seer in and of itself isn't a direct link, but if I were a planet's ruler, I'd want to have one around. Here are a few other ideas for specs:

The Prophet: Similar to the Seer, but instead of being about sensing the future, this is more about pronouncing dooms (as debuffs) and blessing (as buffs) as well as no survival and tracking..

The Soothsayer: Not just about advising rulers, but also about sublty bending them to your will. Talents like "biggest fan."

The Ascendant: Palpatine Spec, All about moving up the ladder. Part of it is setting goals and talents that help you achieve those goals. Some fun backstabbing stuff, along with lightsaber skills..

Aside from specs, I'd expect a system on how to set up your own power base, founding a religion/cult, or how to gain influence in various government.

Alchemist.

And, for lack of a better term for it, Star Wars black mage.

Not sure what else; Jar'Kai, maybe?

Do you think we might see something along the lines of sith sorcerer/alchemy?

Sith Alchemy is a great idea.

Sorceror

Alchemist

Witch

We are more likely to get Hermit again tho

Just now, Decorus said:

We are more likely to get Hermit again tho

I'd say about a 0.01% chance. They haven't reprinted a specialization within a game line, only across them (and only between Edge of the Empire and Age of Rebellion).

yet

And all trends, interviews, and evidence suggests it will never happen.

In terms of Mystic suppliment, personally, history related stuff, and maybe more lightsaber crystals, and yes, Jar'Kai, the art of using two sabers. Maybe even a full talet tree for it ? Oh and Cathar, must have Cathar in there too. Or Jawas {JAWA JEDI YES PLEASE!}

1 hour ago, Blackbird888 said:

And all trends, interviews, and evidence suggests it will never happen.

Actually all trends, interviews and evidence suggests it will totally happen.

We've seen the release of every EotE book without a single repeated specialization within the line. We're four books into AoR (with #5 on the way), and it has only repeated from Edge of the Empire, and never once from within the game line (so if you only buy AoR, you will have zero repeats). We're halfway through FaD, with #4 a week and some odd days out, and there hasn't been a single repeat from anything else.

We have plenty of evidence and plenty of trends at this point to say that no, it won't happen. And your counter evidence? "Because" and "I said so" is inadmissible.

Because the only way to repeat a specialization in F&D is to do it within its own line.

By the Nature of the system the only place you could reuse a Force and Destiny Specialization is in Force and Destiny.

Hermit is thematically appropriate for Mystic so its logically the best one to repeat.

Within the Force and Destiny line all specs have been unique so far.

This is likely because they could not borrow from Edge and Age as easily due to there being no Force talents.

Thus this makes it difficult for any specs to be copied from age and edge since they don't feel like force user specs.

No line has ever had a class that repeated another's specializations that were in a line.

Meaning Force and Destiny is the variant of the rule set with the most number of unique specs.

Q.E.D.

It also means its the most likely one to include a spec that is not unique just to save on development time.

1 minute ago, Decorus said:

It also means its the most likely one to include a spec that is not unique just to save on development time.

No for that would be bad game design

Q.E.D.

4 minutes ago, Decorus said:

Hermit is thematically appropriate for Mystic so its logically the best one to repeat.

So, basically, in your opinion, you think Hermit fits well Mystic, thus making it almost assured we'll see it reprint.

And basically its your opinion that they would never do it within the same game line despite the fact that the only way to reuse a specialization in Force and Destiny is to pull one from another Force and Destiny Book.

When the company has proven over and over to be more then willing to copy and paste everything they can in various supplements.

Just now, Decorus said:

And basically its your opinion that they would never do it within the same game line despite the fact that the only way to reuse a specialization in Force and Destiny is to pull one from another Force and Destiny Book.

When the company has proven over and over to be more then willing to copy and paste everything they can in various supplements.

Yes when it makes sense, they copy them over like with Age and Edge.

However you propose something FFG has never done before while Blackbird and I are more willing to bet that when you compare Edge and Age to themselves and not to each other each line will have 36 unique Specs.

Q.E.D.

Ohmygoshohmygoshohmygosh!!!!! Mystic book! Even a hypothetical thread on what, hypothetically might bein it gets me too excited to think! Okay, okay, let's see.

First, we need to establish what a Mystic is. In my opinion (and hopefully in FFG's as well), for each of the other Force careers, although the Force is central and important, it is, ultimately, a means to an end. For Guardians, that end is the protection of the innocent; for Consulars, it's balance and peace between different people; Warriors use the Force to achieve victory in battle, while for Seekers it's the gateway to exploration and adventure, and Sentinels use it to root out corruption.

For Mystics? The Force is both the end and the means. They seek understanding of the Force primarily for themselves and for the Force, to know it, to live it, to breathe and BE it. It is the Final Mystery, the Great Tapestry, and they seek to know it because by knowing it they, in a way, know all things.

Many of the concepts mentioned above are ones I like and would LOVE to see: Witch seems incredibly obvious, and I really hope that the Witch makes an appearance; Alchemist/Sorcerer would be nice, too, but I think thematically it's a bit too similar to the Witch, so we won't be seeing both, and definitely not all three. MitchPelon's Ascendant seems like a good one, too. I love the sound of the Prophet, but I think that is also a bit too thematically similar to the Seer so I doubt it's inclusion.

If I could make only a single request, it would be that there be a spec called the Dreamwalker in the Mystic book. I would be so, SO happy if that happened, you have no idea :) !

29 minutes ago, Decorus said:

And basically its your opinion that they would never do it within the same game line despite the fact that the only way to reuse a specialization in Force and Destiny is to pull one from another Force and Destiny Book.

When the company has proven over and over to be more then willing to copy and paste everything they can in various supplements.

This will never happen. In fact, I am so confident in this, that if it does happen, you can have my title of board prophet for ever and always.

21 minutes ago, Shlambate said:

Yes when it makes sense, they copy them over like with Age and Edge.

However you propose something FFG has never done before while Blackbird and I are more willing to bet that when you compare Edge and Age to themselves and not to each other each line will have 36 unique Specs.

Q.E.D.

This is why it will never happen. There have never been, and I am 100% confident there will never be, repeated specs inside one game line. The only repeats, of ANY material, has been across different lines. Yes, both species, equipment, and specializations have been repeated if you take the Star Wars RPG as a whole, but if you look at only one line (Edge, Age, Force), never once has it happened.

I do tend to agree - the Hermit would fit very nicely as a Mystic spec. I was disappointed that it wasn't a Mystic spec, in fact, because I wanted it to be. But now that it's a Seeker spec, something else will be in the Mystic book. My guess is that the Witch will fill a similar role.

The Prophetess has spoken!!

I would also like to see sorcerer as the Darkside Mystic, because well it's called Sith Sorcery for a reason.

I personalty think that the Witch will be the spec with the conflict talent, as the Nightsisters are so iconic. It is still possible we'll see the Sorcerer, but I'm almost positive we won't see both. So pick your poison :) !

They have never copied even a species within the same game line, they have said that they have done it in the past when thematically appropriate rather than doing something different , which presents stacking problems that they would bring in a port over. Example if they need scout rather than do scout 2.0 which allows the scout a lot of abilities and talents to stack, they use scout. It was a given Heavy was going to be in soldier. They have done it multiple times in AoR , pilot, scout, heavy, etc. They cannot do it again without reprinting within the game line, Given how often they did this with Aor/edge we havet seen this once yet in F&D because the F&D specs are unique in the way they work differently from the AoR and edge gamelines. Totally not going to happen.

I wouldn't mind seeing a spec for the Mystic that offers Animal Bond and some of the related talents, but with the focus less on surviving alone in the wilds (Hermit) and perhaps more on playing up the "creepy factor" that mystics in some cultures have. Yeah, what I described would generally be a Witch (Nightsister or otherwise), but would still like to see it.

The only thing I expect for sure from it, is a lengthly period on the boat.

Had a thought: If Arbiter has the conflict talent in DoH, that makes the fourth consecutive one to share a legal entity/law enforcement theme naming (Warden, Executioner, Sentry).

Judge? Adjudicator? Inquisitor? Though that last one has some baggage.