tactician

By snail, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Hi, on the card it says when you shoot at range 2 that your opponent receives a stress. Is this optional or automatic. I'm just wondering as from the last FAQ if it is automatic then I thought your opponent should allow the stress to still happen even if you originally forgot.

No choices are presented on Tactician . When the trigger is fulfilled, the effect must happen.

If you originally forgot it seems like a missed opportunity to me. You're opponent would be within his rights to deny you that stress.

2 hours ago, LeadBelly said:

If you originally forgot it seems like a missed opportunity to me.

The missed opportunity rule only applies to optional effects. Correcting a missed mandatory effect is like correcting any other general mistake: there are no official rules covering it, and both players (or a tournament judge) simply need to work something out.

Right so now that we've officially gotten there the above exchange is the answer to missing a tactician trigger, a number of people think it should be a missed opportunity and a number of people think that rule should only apply to optional abilities. It's pretty unclear which opinion is correct but if you want to read a lot of disagreement feel free to search the forums for the words 'missed opportunity'

Also here is what the FAQ says about missed opportunities:

Missed Opportunities
Occasionally, players forget to resolve important effects during the course of
a game. At formal and premier events, once an opportunity is missed and play
has proceeded past that timing window, the opportunity is lost:
• If a player forgets to perform an action with a ship and play has proceeded
to the next ship (a dial has been revealed, a maneuver has been executed,
etc.), that ship loses its chance to perform an action.
• If a player forgets to place a maneuver dial next to a ship, but tells his
opponent he is ready to begin the round, once play has proceeded to
the first ship (a dial has been revealed, a maneuver has been executed,
etc.), he may no longer place a dial. Instead, when that ship activates, the
player’s opponent chooses the maneuver that ship will perform. No actions
may be taken before this maneuver, but play proceeds normally after the
maneuver has been executed.
• If a player forgets to declare a game effect during a specific timing
window (such as declaring the target of Swarm Tactics at the start of the
Combat phase), he may not execute that game effect at a later time.

3 hours ago, nigeltastic said:

• If a player forgets to declare a game effect during a specific timing window (such as declaring the target of Swarm Tactics at the start of the Combat phase), he may not execute that game effect at a later time.

It seems pretty cut and dry to me. If flying casual at your local store then it remains at the discretion of the players to come to an arrangement but do not expect to be able to resolve effects once the window has passed in more formal events.

Edited by LeadBelly
1 hour ago, LeadBelly said:

It seems pretty cut and dry to me. If flying casual at your local store then it remains at the discretion of the players to come to an arrangement but do not expect to be able to resolve effects once the window has passed in more formal events.

I happen to agree that any triggered ability can be missed; I was simply informing that there are dissenting opinions and that the FAQ has some coverage for one to interpret for oneself. Additionally there have been pages and pages of argument around this rule in the past so it's in some way not cut and dry to everyone.

9 hours ago, LeadBelly said:
12 hours ago, nigeltastic said:

• If a player forgets to declare a game effect during a specific timing window (such as declaring the target of Swarm Tactics at the start of the Combat phase), he may not execute that game effect at a later time.

It seems pretty cut and dry to me. If flying casual at your local store then it remains at the discretion of the players to come to an arrangement but do not expect to be able to resolve effects once the window has passed in more formal events.

Except there is no effect to "declare" as it is just supposed to happen.

For mandatory effects, it's both players responsibility to maintain the board state. Both players would be at fault for missing Tactician, or Rebel captive etc ...

Judges may adjust the board state, more likely if it's a very recent 'miss', less likely if the miss was a previous turn.

They are also within their remit to say 'play on with the current state'.

Adding the tournament regulations statement on Missed Opportunities, emphasis has been added to mandatory effects which would include Tactician.

Quote

Missed Opportunities
Players are expected to follow the game’s rules, remembering to perform actions and use card effects when indicated. It is all players’ responsibility to maintain a proper game state, and to ensure that all mandatory abilities and game steps are acknowledged. If a player forgets to use an effect during the timing specified by that effect, he or she cannot retroactively use it without the consent of his or her opponent. Players are expected to act with respect and not intentionally distract or rush an opponent with the intent of forcing a missed opportunity.