Lets talk about sleeves!

By slowreflex, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

To start with, I'm going to assume we can't have any clear sleeves for tournament play. Why? Because this is the rule for other FFG LCG tournaments.

Firstly, what do we know that could influence this?

  • There are three types of cards (in sleeving terms), Provinces, Dynasty, and Conflict.
  • Provinces will be a mix of one clan and neutral cards
  • Dynasty will be a mix of one clan and neutral cards
  • Conflict will be a mix of up to TWO clans and neutral cards
    • One of the clans must match your primary clan (clan used in Province/Dynasty)

If any of the above is not correct, I'm sure someone will correct me. :)

I'm personally not someone that likes to keep sleeving/unsleeving cards. I just sleeve everything. So, I guess for me, it only makes sense to have three separate colors, to match the three card types. I think that is probably the optimum solution for me.

I suppose if you are someone that likes to sleeve/unsleeve cards, or you are going to have enough duplicate neutral cards, or are only going to play one clan then you could do clan specific colors for Provinces/Dynasty rather easily. It would actually be nice if a single Core set had full sets of all the neutral cards to help with that (one of each neutral province, 3 of each neutral Dynasty. This would let you have three clan decks for Province/Dynasty that you wouldn't have to tinker with if you had three Core sets. Conflict, however, would likely be a sleeving/unsleeving solution due to mixing clans, regardless of having duplicates of Neutral cards.

So, I think there are the following options:

  1. If you aren't playing official tournaments, you could choose not to sleeve your cards
  2. If you are sleeving everything... you could
    1. Go with all one color
    2. Have one color for each card type (or one or two card types).
  3. If you are happy to sleeve/unsleeve cards (and are not just playing one primary Clan)
    1. Any of the above options
    2. Go with clan (or the same) colors for Provinces/Dynasty and a generic color for Conflict
      1. You would have to sleeve/unsleeve your Neutral Province/Dynasty cards
    3. Go with clan colors for everything
      1. You would have to sleeve/unsleeve you Neutral Province/Dynasty cards
      2. You would have to sleeve/unsleeve all conflict cards
  4. If you are happy to sleeve/unsleeve cards or are only going to play one primary Clan
    1. Any of the above options
    2. Go with clan colors for Provinces/Dynasty/Conflict

Probably missed something, but I'm sure someone will let me know if I did! :)

The classic sleeving strategy in l5r was always leaving in clan color:

White/Blue for Crane and Red/Black for Scorpion for example.

Adding a third color for the provinces and stronghold will be a bit annoying however.

I just always sleeved my dynasty in black and fate in green. Made it easy to sort.

If the card backs for the new L5R are as gorgeous close up as the Arkham Horror backs, though, I'll use transparent now.

I'd expect clan sleeves to be part of their sleeves product line.

3 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

I just always sleeved my dynasty in black and fate in green. Made it easy to sort.

If the card backs for the new L5R are as gorgeous close up as the Arkham Horror backs, though, I'll use transparent now.

Transparent won't be allowed if you use any of their promotional alt art cards.

I don't know that there will be tournament rules, other than that your dynasty and conflict decks will need to be distinct, and that they can't be marked, etc. The only time I've seen rules like this is when they screwed up at the printers and a particular expansion didn't come out right, so they had to require people to use opaque sleeves.

You will probably want 3 colors though, 1 for conflict, 1 for dynasty, and 1 for other (Provinces, stronghold, etc).

I always adopted the policy that the lighter color was the fate (conflict) deck, so I could always know which of my decks was which, but I also kept 4-6 decks with me and they didn't always match the appropriate clan (though I tried to get close).

Does FFG allow card backers? Not that I want to use them, but I know people who did like them.

2 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

I just always sleeved my dynasty in black and fate in green. Made it easy to sort.

For those who didn't play the CCG, those were the colors of the backs of the cards in the CCG.

Just now, Toqtamish said:

Transparent won't be allowed if you use any of their promotional alt art cards.

I generally don't play with those when I have them. We'll have to see if I get any!

2 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

I just always sleeved my dynasty in black and fate in green. Made it easy to sort.

If the card backs for the new L5R are as gorgeous close up as the Arkham Horror backs, though, I'll use transparent now.

I did sleeve them as you.:D

For L5RLCG, I was thinking just transparent too. Altough I would love to be able to buy a special sleeve pack with backgrounds matching those of the cards: 1 stronghold, 5 provinces, 45 dinasty, 45 conflict. I would also accept/buy Clan Mon ones.

Stupid question, but why aren't transparent sleeves allowed at Tournaments?

Penny sleeves for the box and nicer 3 different sleeves for the decks and provinces/strongholds. This helps with the shuffle and play of the game. And keep rule cards in transparent sleeves (I always have the Arkham Horror phase card out for reference)

Normally I could careless about the cards in the collection, but for lcgs I actually use most of the collection.

Edited by Spawnod

I will use Ultra Pro Mate Light Blue for the Dynasty Deck (to match my clan color), UP Light Pink for the Conflict Deck (as a reminder of cherry blossom) and transparent or (if forced) white for the 5 provinces.

2 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

Stupid question, but why aren't transparent sleeves allowed at Tournaments?

They are. But FFG's official alternate-art cards are printed at a local printer somewhere in their home base of the Twin Cities, Minnesota, instead of their usual China facility where all their games are normally printed. As such, the card print quality is different and a player who was so inclined could tell which cards were their alt-art cards and which ones weren't based on their backs.

Edited by Gaffa

I wonder if there will be any rules about backing a deck? I remember that it was particularly popular during the 4 winds saga, to back your dynasty deck with your Wind.

5 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

They are. But FFG's official alternate-art cards are printed at a local printer somewhere in their home base of the Twin Cities, Minnesota, instead of their usual China facility where all their games are normally printed. As such, the card print quality is different and a player who was so inclined could tell which cards were their alt-art cards and which ones weren't based on their backs.

Okay, that makes sense.

18 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

They are. But FFG's official alternate-art cards are printed at a local printer somewhere in their home base of the Twin Cities, Minnesota, instead of their usual China facility where all their games are normally printed. As such, the card print quality is different and a player who was so inclined could tell which cards were their alt-art cards and which ones weren't based on their backs.

It's not that simple.

Here is the rules regarding Sleeves for Android Netrunner :

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Card Sleeves

Players are required to sleeve their decks in opaque card sleeves for Formal and Premier events. Players may use different sleeves between decks, but all sleeves within a single deck must be identical in size, color, texture, and condition. At Relaxed events, if a player is not using opaque card sleeves, he or she must make sure that all card backs in each of their decks have a uniform appearance. Players should bring a few spare sleeves for each of their decks in case a card sleeve breaks or becomes unusable during a tournament.

You can use transparent sleeves up to Store championship lvl event. For the Regionals and above you'll need opaque sleeves.

I hope that I will be able to use transparent sleeves for the provinces tho. ^^'

Edited by MrMenthe
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I'm crazy, so what I'm planning is to sleeve all the Dynasty cards in each color for the clans, then conflict deck all in the same color, and provinces ideally in clear.

Unicorn - Matte Purple
Scorpion - Matte Red
Phoenix - Matte Orange
Dragon - Matte Green
Crane - Matte Sky Blue
Lion - Matte Yellow
Crab - Matte Blue

Conflict deck - ?

Problem is, i'm left with few choices left for the conflict deck. I may just wait and do those in some special sleeves they put out.

5 minutes ago, starfleetjedi said:

IConflict deck - ?

White.

So from the sounds of it, most people seem quite happy to be either sticking to one clan or re-sleeving the neutral cards as they play different clans to match that clans colors. Or are people forgetting that they can mix Neutral cards in with the Provinces and Dynasty decks?

Just now, slowreflex said:

So from the sounds of it, most people seem quite happy to be either sticking to one clan or re-sleeving the neutral cards as they play different clans to match that clans colors. Or are people forgetting that they can mix Neutral cards in with the Provinces and Dynasty decks?

Well, you won't be sleeving your neutrals in different colors than your clan cards, obviously.

I never liked any of the secondary colors I picked for Unicorn...

Orange Ultra Pro Eclipses for Dynasty. White Ultra Pro Eclipses for Conflict. Clan sleeves for provinces, Emperor Edition textless rings backed with Hidden Emperor mons for ring claiming.

Get on my level, plebs.

3 minutes ago, Gaffa said:

Well, you won't be sleeving your neutrals in different colors than your clan cards, obviously.

What I mean is let's say you have some neutral cards in a Clan deck. Then you want to play Scorpion and want to use those same neutral cards. You'll need to change the sleeves of them. People are mentioning using certain colors for their Dynasty decks, so am just thinking maybe they haven't realized there are Neutral Province and Dynasty cards. Or maybe they don't care about re-sleeving neutral cards. Or maybe they are going to buy lots and lots of Core sets so each Clan has their own set of Neutral cards. :)

Transparent dragon shields with Old man Daizu and Hida Kisada Jr deck backers. Undecided on what I wan to use for provinces.

4 minutes ago, Nickciufi said:

Orange Ultra Pro Eclipses for Dynasty. White Ultra Pro Eclipses for Conflict. Clan sleeves for provinces, Emperor Edition textless rings backed with Hidden Emperor mons for ring claiming.

Get on my level, plebs.

I'm a fan of KMC Hyper Mats personally. I've tried a lot of sleeves and they are my favorite. I think that's the general opinion of professionals as well as far as I know. They aren't cheap though. I think the sleeves are worth more than LCG cards are. :)

4 minutes ago, Nickciufi said:

Orange Ultra Pro Eclipses for Dynasty. White Ultra Pro Eclipses for Conflict. Clan sleeves for provinces, Emperor Edition textless rings backed with Hidden Emperor mons for ring claiming.

Get on my level, plebs.

You're aware that the Ring tokens are double-sided..?