I have a scum hawk with Vizago crew and cloaking device. I cloak. I then use Vizago to swap the cloaking device with EMP.
1) do I remain cloaked?
2). If so, can I trigger EMP during the following round while cloaked?
Discuss...
Help me sort this one out
1) Yes.
2) No clue.
1) Yes
2) Gonna say yes, based upon my remembering reading somewhere that you can still use Feedback Array when affected by Blinded Pilot.
1 - yes.
2 - no. You can't attack while cloaked, so you can't do anything instead of attacking.
Check pages 9 and 17 of the FAQ. There's no explicit, "you can't Feedback Array while cloaked," rule. However, FAQ does explictly state you can't Feedback Array while Weapons Disabled or on a rock, which ate both "cannot attack" situations.
About 2, i used to think as jmswood, but a mail i got from the developers said a different thing:
Hello Willy,
In response to your rules question:
Rules Question:
Hi! I understand that feedback array cannot be used if you dont have an attack to give up to (as while overlaped with an asteroid, or with a weapons disabled token). So when my friends asked me if you can use it while cloaked (resulting of a strange combination with the new scum crew that was just announced), i said "no, you cant, because you cant attack so you cant do it instead of anything". Am I correct? Also, I noticed that, in the Feedback Array aclaration, it says that you can use it with the Blinded Pilot Damage Card. I get it when talking about the old damage deck, but is it that way with the TFA deck, too? It seems odd to me, because of the same reasons stated above. Thanks!
A ship can use Feedback Array while it is cloaked as you can use it while you have Blinded Pilot which explicitly says you cannot perform attacks. You cannot perform attacks while cloaked either.
Thanks for playing,
Frank Brooks
Consistency!
I really, really hope they look back over the rulings around when Feedback Array can and cannot be used and make them make sense.
That is a shaky Frank ruling, on par with "both Gonk actions are the same."
I feel like the Feedback FAQ entry is talking about the old Blinded Pilot card, where you could still attack, just with 0 dice, and it never got updated to the new card.
We suffered through months of Deadeye/R4 scouts because they didn't update the R4 FAQ to account for the TFA rules. This feels like the same.
1 hour ago, skotothalamos said:I feel like the Feedback FAQ entry is talking about the old Blinded Pilot card, where you could still attack, just with 0 dice, and it never got updated to the new card.
That's possible, but the wording for the TFA Blinded Pilot FAQ suggests otherwise. The language is all very similar to the Feedback Array entry, with no mention of the orignal Blinded Pilot Card.
5 hours ago, skotothalamos said:That is a shaky Frank ruling, on par with "both Gonk actions are the same."
I feel like the Feedback FAQ entry is talking about the old Blinded Pilot card, where you could still attack, just with 0 dice, and it never got updated to the new card.
We suffered through months of Deadeye/R4 scouts because they didn't update the R4 FAQ to account for the TFA rules. This feels like the same.
It can be. But:
- Rules are to allow everyone to play the same way. Even if it is not an official ruling it is the only thing we can put in common, so i think it is wise to do it that way.
- Frank's answer about Gonk wasnt wrong. It was right at the time, but they changed it after a while. That doesn't mean it was wrong before. Or do TLT+Tactician squads (for example) have to admit that, since nowadays that combination only add 1 stress token, they have been playing it wrong?
- Even if that doesn't convince you, you just can't refuse ALL of Frank mails just because (you think) one of them was wrong. That is a little silly IMHO.
This was already talked about in other post... the problem is the use of Cannot Perform Attack everywhere but not using it in the same way...
When having a weapon disable give the effect: Cannot Perform Attack and having Cloak give you the effect: Cannot Perform Attack Blinded Pilot give you the effect: Cannot Perform Attack
BUT you can use Feedback when blinded or cloaked but not with weapon disable. But you can't flip blinded pilot while cloaked, but you can flip blinded pilot under it's own condition.
The Cannot Perform Attack rule is a total mess full of contradiction that is long over due to get a clarification like the Attack Chart or the effect of obstacle.
Edit: So according to Feedback Array you get an opportunity to attack while Cloaked, but it is not a good enough opportunity to flip blinded pilot... ?!?
Yeah, I totally agree that ther is a lack of consistency in the answer i got from Frank. But, until it is officially ruled, it is the only thing we have to do it all the same way.