I'm trying to put together a Fat Han list, but since he's so expensive in points, it's hard to find the right wingmate. I'm thinking that whatever it is, it should either prevent the opponent from focusing fire on Han, or punish them for doing it. This way, Han's strength of 1v1 dueling really gets to shine.

Here's what I'm thinking so far:

Poe Dameron (PS8) [VI, R5-P9, Autothrusters] 37 points total

For reference here's Han's load-out

Han Solo (Original)[Expertise, C-3PO, R2-D2(crew), Engine Upgrade, Millenium Falcon (evade)] 61 points total

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I'd ditch R2 off Han, and fly PS9 Poe with the title, Autothrusters, BB-8, Primed Thrusters, and (once it comes out, proxy until then if you want, or use PTL) Intensity.

Doesn't that leave Han super vulnerable though? Without R2 he has no more regen, and his damage isn't particularly impressive anyway. But that Poe build is really, really, fast.

Also, I'm curious - why did you choose to sacrifice R2 for a more speedy Poe?

With 2 damage mitigation per turn he still lasts a while. The idea is for him to token strip (and hopefully take out) some targets for Poe, who becomes better and better the later in the game he is. Likely Han would be the first target because he would be the easiest target. If not, the opponent is leaving a 13 HP, 2 evade or arc dodge ship (that is actually rather great offensively) for the end. That Poe build is super reliable and very unpredictable. However, I could definitely see keeping R2 but ditching EU, because in my experience (I've flown basically that exact Han before), he rarely uses the boost well.

It never occurred to me to bait with Han, and keep Poe as the main ship. Also, what's your opinion on Jake Farell? This was the Fat Han list that got 4th at Worlds with Jake:

Han Solo(original) [Predator, Title, Engine Upgrade, C-3PO, Luke]

Jake Farrell [VI, PTL, Title, Autothrusters, Proton Rockets]

Also, if I'm baiting with Han, would it make sense to use the new version instead?

Isn't the new intensity Jake around 35 points?

My go-to choice in that price bracket would probably be Nora. She really needs R2-D2 to shine to I would remove him from the Falcon and probably replace him with Chewie. Chewie guarantees you at least 2 damage mitigation and is also handy for spoiling ISYTDS once at least.

61 Han Solo (45), Expertise (4), C-3PO (3), Chewiw (4), Engine Upgrade (4), Millenium Falcon (1)
38 Nora Wexley (29), PTL (3), Tailgunner (2), R2-D2 (4), Alliance Overhaul (0)

That leaves you a 1 point bid for facing Fenn etc

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

My go-to choice in that price bracket would probably be Nora. She really needs R2-D2 to shine to I would remove him from the Falcon and probably replace him with Chewie. Chewie guarantees you at least 2 damage mitigation and is also handy for spoiling ISYTDS once at least.

61 Han Solo (45), Expertise (4), C-3PO (3), Chewiw (4), Engine Upgrade (4), Millenium Falcon (1)
38 Nora Wexley (29), PTL (3), Tailgunner (2), R2-D2 (4), Alliance Overhaul (0)

That leaves you a 1 point bid for facing Fenn etc

I'm a bit unfamiliar with the ARC-170. Could you explain that Nora build a little?

3 minutes ago, BlackOne said:

I'm a bit unfamiliar with the ARC-170. Could you explain that Nora build a little?

PTL gives you focus/tl which with her ability adds a hit out the front, a crit out the back, or an evade to your defence roll.

3 hours ago, Rolotamasi said:

Isn't the new intensity Jake around 35 points?

Whoa, 4 actions a turn!? 5 with PTL instead of VI!! I just might try that!

11 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

PTL gives you focus/tl which with her ability adds a hit out the front, a crit out the back, or an evade to your defence roll.

Compared to say, Poe, how durable is she?

10 minutes ago, BlackOne said:

Compared to say, Poe, how durable is she?

It depends on the Poe build and the situation, but generally Norra wants to be one-on-one, in which case she's a horrific monster. I'm not sure how one gets her to that one-on-one without Biggs, though.

You don't have to. The Han build, even if we sacrifice R2 for Chewie, is absurdly powerful 1v1, because it can negate a bunch of damage, ignore what he does take, all the while smashing his opponent to pieces. I did the math, and if we have initiative, Han beats Dengar, Soontir, and Poe 1v1. Rau is a bit more trouble some. In any case, if we go Han/Nora, that's two ships that will slaughter anything in a duel, so your opponent has to pick which late-game monster they want to face down. Even if Nora doesn't make it to the 1v1, Han will, and that is still disastrous for your opponent.

Jake is insane at surviving, but I think his 2 attack dice just don't cut it, even with 4 or 5 actions per turn. Norra is good, I flew her at regionals with a Fat Han build, but at 1 agility each, they got torn apart by things like the Ghost, which is why I think Poe is a better choice. Plus, while late game Norra is a beast, Poe can fly around people, or if they have a turret, simply out damage them given his autothrusters and 2 agility.

27 minutes ago, BlackOne said:

You don't have to. The Han build, even if we sacrifice R2 for Chewie, is absurdly powerful 1v1, because it can negate a bunch of damage, ignore what he does take, all the while smashing his opponent to pieces. I did the math, and if we have initiative, Han beats Dengar, Soontir, and Poe 1v1. Rau is a bit more trouble some. In any case, if we go Han/Nora, that's two ships that will slaughter anything in a duel, so your opponent has to pick which late-game monster they want to face down. Even if Nora doesn't make it to the 1v1, Han will, and that is still disastrous for your opponent.

I love Norra, I fly her a lot nowadays, so I know people will fly straight for Norra and melt her, probably coming out of the exchange better off. Plus, if there's stress in the opposing list, like Assaj? Oh, man. Expertise Han and PtL Norra will be dead before the ships are placed.

7 minutes ago, Greebwahn said:

Jake is insane at surviving, but I think his 2 attack dice just don't cut it, even with 4 or 5 actions per turn. Norra is good, I flew her at regionals with a Fat Han build, but at 1 agility each, they got torn apart by things like the Ghost, which is why I think Poe is a better choice. Plus, while late game Norra is a beast, Poe can fly around people, or if they have a turret, simply out damage them given his autothrusters and 2 agility.

Prockets doesn't solve Jake's problem, does it? And yes, Poe seems solid, but you have to choose between maneuverability (BB-8) and regen (R2/R5). Which is better?

Regen Poe is great for a joust, BB-8 is great as a flanker. I'd say BB-8 Poe would probably be a better wingman for this Han build. What about something like this?

Han Solo (46)
Expertise (4)
C-3PO (3)
Chewbacca (4)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Millennium Falcon (1)

Poe Dameron (31)
Veteran Instincts (1)
BB-8 (2)
Primed Thrusters (1)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

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2 hours ago, BlackOne said:

Prockets doesn't solve Jake's problem, does it? And yes, Poe seems solid, but you have to choose between maneuverability (BB-8) and regen (R2/R5). Which is better?

Alas, I don't personally think it does. It certainly has value, but I still don't think Jake's 1 extra agility can match Poe's sheer efficiency, extra attack die, and extra HP.

The main issue is that Poe stuck to greens (with artoo) is going to get flanked, because he has to focus, and can then only boost (keeping Intensity, or maybe PTL, but intensity is just better on Poe), and PTL leaves him vulnerable to being stressed. With R5 he might have access to whites and reds, if you don't take PTL, but he's locked into focusing (no arc-dodging, which he needs), and he can't take Intensity because it would be in conflict with R5 .

However, with BB-8 and Intensity: Poe can pull a green with a barrel roll, boost, and focus, or pull a white with a boost and focus, and still no self-stress. Who needs whites or reds? He doesn't need to regen because with barrel roll and boost or a white move and boost, he can avoid getting hit at all, and autothrusters helps there too. Even if he gets stressed from debris or Assaj or something, with Primed Thrusters, he reveals green (still stressed), gets to Barrel roll anyway, focuses, performs green, clears stress, performs boost or target lock, or performs white (stays stressed), boosts anyway, and focuses anyway.

Add Black One title to keep him alive even better, because he'll be boosting/barrel rolling all the time

I like a regen Poe for end game. R5-P9 is cool, Intensity with B1 title is going to be awesome.

What about a light Miranda build:

Miranda Doni (29)

TLT (6)

Jan Ors (2)

Total: 37

16 hours ago, BlackOne said:

What about a light Miranda build:

Miranda Doni (29)

TLT (6)

Jan Ors (2)

Total: 37

I don't think Miranda would survive long at that rate. Could feasibly go down in one round, definitely two. Nowhere near as survivable as the Norra or Poe builds suggested, nor packs as much of a punch as those two.