You may agree or disagree, but personal I feel the empire is currently on the back foot against all the other factions;

(In anticipation of people saying am wrong, just look at worlds and any of the system opens)

What new things do you think FFG could do to make them viable? (Not nerfing something) but making something new.

IMHO I think a new large base ship would help, one with similar stats to the shadow caster, drop the illicit for a system. Is a high speed pursuit craft the punch the empire needs?

Give it similar stress dealing mechanics as Ventress, for one of the abilities for the Aces. A common compliant I hear is the Empire can't deal stress as good as the other factions. This could be a good place to have Thrawn and maybe a crew card that synergies with his ability maybe a Ensign Eli Vanto crew card. Packet it with something that shuts down illicit upgrades, the Empire is the law after all.

Anyway I want to hear people thoughts?

Once again not a nerf thread.

(For the record am a Scum player)

##The Current Idea for the new ship;##

TIE Reaper (Mobile Firing Arc) (Large Base)

(Similar Dial to either the Ghost or the Shadow Caster)

PS1 (Generic no EPT) 25pts

PS3 (Generic EPT) 27pts

PS5 (ACES EPT) 30pts

PS7 (ACES EPT) 33pts

Stats;

Attack - 2

Agility - 1

Hull - 5

Shields - 3

Slots;

Crew - 1

Tech - 1

System - 2

(Different enough from both the Upsilon and the Shuttle)

Action Bar; Target Lock, Rotate Arc.

Title; "The Liberation" 4pts

TIE Reaper (Only) Unique

Equipped Ship Gains the clock/de-clock action and looses the Rotate Arc action.

When De-clocking this ship uses a 1 Straight template, Large ship rules apply for barrel rolls.

I feel a large based non shuttle type ship, perhaps something similar to a Deci but cheaper and filling more of a support role (systems, Tech, crew, etc...) would help not that the faction is dead but it needs more love I feel...

on the other hand they could also release another standard tie ship but give it more than 3 upgrades in the box, make it have a bunch of upgrades that help ships on the empire side that don't get to see as much play (Phantoms, Interceptors, Punishers, Advanced & Adv Prototypes) most of these have a system slot so maybe add some awesome and useful System upgrades no idea what they could be but they could help

17 minutes ago, MrMaggles said:

"a system slot so maybe add some awesome and useful System upgrades no idea what they could be but they could help"

A fast moving support craft would be good, a system slot that boost other ships could be an interesting choice.

Could go a few ways;

Go Support; Large Base only, Empire only card; that grants the co-ordinate action; to multiple ships (have a chain reaction effect) this could help swarms.

Go offensives; Large Base only, Empire only card; When attacking Friendly ships Range 1-2; May roll one additional attack dice if there is more defense dice than attack dice. helping low attack power ships

Go defensive; Large Base only, Empire only card; Action; Friendly and enemy ships at range 1, cannot be assigned focus tokens. Helping Combat, token stacking

(No idea on costings, just some interesting effects)

System, Imperial Only

Integrated Combat System

Action: All Friendly ships at Range 1-2 that also have "Integrated Combat System" may preform a Free Focus or Evade Action and recieve a Stress Token

3 Points (maybe 4)

Probably just pick up some Defenders and or TIE/SFs?

Or the Decimator or the TIE-Phantom ... or a bunch of TIE-Fighters.

Like this crappy make it great slogan - the thing what has to be great again - IS ALREADY GREAT AGAIN!

29 minutes ago, MrMaggles said:

System, Imperial Only

Integrated Combat System

Action: All Friendly ships at Range 1-2 that also have "Integrated Combat System" may preform a Free Focus or Evade Action and recieve a Stress Token

3 Points (maybe 4)

That's good, I like that better than the better than the co-ordinate idea. for 3 points as it stands.

What other empire ships have the system slot? maybe have "Integrated Combat Receiver" modification for 2pts, that would allow other ships use this?

Make it a dual card one side

"System, Imperial Only, Large Ship Only (Unique)

Integrated Combat System

Action: All Friendly ships at Range 1-2 that have the "Integrated Combat Receiver" modification may preform a Free Focus or Evade Action and receives a Stress Token

3pts"

Reverse side

"Modification, Imperial Only, Small Ship Only

Integrated Combat Receiver

2pts"

I don't think the reverse would need any text.

58 minutes ago, the1hodgy said:

Make it a dual card one side

"System, Imperial Only, Large Ship Only (Unique)

Integrated Combat System

Action: All Friendly ships at Range 1-2 that have the "Integrated Combat Receiver" modification may preform a Free Focus or Evade Action and receives a Stress Token

3pts"

Reverse side

"Modification, Imperial Only, Small Ship Only

Integrated Combat Receiver

2pts"

I don't think the reverse would need any text.

That makes the Latge ship a pretty big gun magnet, Perhaps give the Modification a passive effect as well like this maybe...

"Modification, Imperial Only, Small Ship Only

Integrated Combat Receiver

You may remove one Stress token during the end phase on this ship, if you did not gain a free action from Intergrated Combat System

2pts"

That would work well for the 2pts, as it means you do the red moves and have them clear off at the end of combat.

Freeing the dial up.

Hooray we fixed the Imperials! Maybe, Kinda, maybe not lol

How about this; how about two dual cards

One side;

"System, Imperial Only, Large Ship Only (Unique)

Integrated Defense System

Action: All Friendly ships at Range 1-2 that have the "Integrated Defense Receiver" modification may perform a Free Focus or Evade Action and receives a Stress Token

3pts"

other side;

"System, Imperial Only, Large Ship Only (Unique)

Integrated Combat System

Action: Receive a Stress Token; All Friendly ships at Range 1-2 that have the "Integrated Combat Receiver" modification must roll 1 additional attack dice.

3pts"

And then the following card for the receiving ship.

"Modification, Imperial Only, Small Ship Only,

You may only equip this card if you have an Attack Value of 2 or lower

Integrated Defense Receiver

You may remove one Stress token during the end phase on this ship, if you did not gain a free action from Integrated Defense System

2pts"

"Modification, Imperial Only, Small Ship Only,

You may only equip this card if you have an Attack Value of 2 or lower

Integrated Combat Receiver

You may remove one Stress token during the end phase on this ship, if you did not roll an additional attack dice granted from Integrated Combat System

2pts"

5 minutes ago, MrMaggles said:

Hooray we fixed the Imperials! Maybe, Kinda, maybe not lol

It's fun to dream

Interesting, I like the idea, but im gonna jazz it up a bit...

IDS looks good, but seems like ICS could be done differently...

19 minutes ago, the1hodgy said:

"System, Imperial Only, Large Ship Only (Unique)

Integrated Defense System

Action: All Friendly ships at Range 1-2 that have the "Integrated Receiver" modification may perform a Free Focus or Evade Action and receive a Stress Token

3pts"

other side;

"System, Imperial Only, Large Ship Only (Unique)

Integrated Combat System

Action: Target Friendly ship at Range 1-2 that has the "Integrated Receiver" modification must acquire a free target lock and roll 1 additional attack dice this round.

3pts"

And then the following card for the receiving ships.

"Modification, Imperial Only, Small Ship Only,

Integrated Receiver

You may remove one Stress token during the end phase on this ship, if you did not gain a free action from Integrated Combat System or Intergrated Defence System this round.

2pts"

This is looking like a good set of upgrades...

Next the frame for this new ship Shadow Caster Dial; and the below;

PS1 (Generic no EPT) 25pts

PS3 (Generic EPT) 27pts

PS5 (ACES EPT) 30pts

PS7 (ACES EPT) 33pts

Slots;

Attack - 2

Agility - 2

Hull - 7

Shields - 3

(Reverse the Hull and Shields of the caster)

Slots;

Crew - 1

Tech - 1

System - 1

(Different enough from both the Upsilon and the Shuttle)

Action Bar; Focus, Evade, Target Lock

these would scale, based on abilities, and i know it's similar to JumpMaster in stats put i don't think, think we want to under cost another ship like that

Gonna alter this as I invisioned it would be more like this...

8 minutes ago, the1hodgy said:

PS1 (Generic no EPT) 25pts

PS4 (ACES no EPT) 27pts

PS5 (ACES EPT) 30pts

PS6 (ACES EPT) 32pts

Slots;

Attack - 2 (360)

Agility - 1

Hull - 5

Shields - 2

Slots;

Crew - 1

Tech - 1

System - 2

(Different enough from both the Upsilon and the Shuttle)

Action Bar; Cloak, Target Lock

Now that's more like it lol

I like the idea of a cloak, but I think that could work as a unique title for this new ship we have created.

The 360 arch would be sweet, but am a sucker for the mobile firing arc so how about;

Imperial Pursuit Craft (Mobile Firing Arc) (Large Base)

PS1 (Generic no EPT) 25pts

PS3 (Generic EPT) 27pts

PS5 (ACES EPT) 30pts

PS7 (ACES EPT) 33pts

Slots;

Attack - 2

Agility - 2

Hull - 5

Shields - 2

Slots;

Crew - 1

Tech - 1

System - 2

(Different enough from both the Upsilon and the Shuttle)

Action Bar; Focus, Evade, Target Lock, Rotate Arc.

Title; "The Liberation" 4pts

Imperial Pursuit Craft (Only) Unique

Equipped Ship Gains the clock/de-clock action.

When De-clocking this ship does NOT perform a barrel roll

I think Imperial large base ships are OK in their stat line and abilities, it's just that their dials suck (Lambda is the poster-child for bad dials, and even the new Upsilon is poor). The designers just don't want maneuverable Imperial support Shuttles. In this, they retard Imperial squad building.

I'd loose the focus and Evade, makes it more interesting...

also with 2 agility the cloak would be broken on a large ship so I'd say make it 0 or 1

perhaps change the title to something like this...

1 hour ago, the1hodgy said:

Imperial Pursuit Craft (Mobile Firing Arc) (Large Base)

PS1 (Generic no EPT) 25pts

PS3 (Generic EPT) 27pts

PS5 (ACES EPT) 30pts

PS7 (ACES EPT) 33pts

Slots;

Attack - 2

Agility - 1

Hull - 5

Shields - 2

Slots;

Crew - 1

Tech - 1

System - 2

(Different enough from both the Upsilon and the Shuttle)

Action Bar; Target Lock, Rotate Arc.

Title; "The Liberation" 4pts

Imperial Pursuit Craft (Only) Unique

Equipped Ship Gains the clock/de-clock action and looses the Rotate Arc action.

When De-clocking this ship uses a 1 Straight template, Large ship rules apply for barrel rolls.

4 hours ago, MrMaggles said:

I feel a large based non shuttle type ship, perhaps something similar to a Deci but cheaper and filling more of a support role (systems, Tech, crew, etc...) would help not that the faction is dead but it needs more love I feel...

on the other hand they could also release another standard tie ship but give it more than 3 upgrades in the box, make it have a bunch of upgrades that help ships on the empire side that don't get to see as much play (Phantoms, Interceptors, Punishers, Advanced & Adv Prototypes) most of these have a system slot so maybe add some awesome and useful System upgrades no idea what they could be but they could help

TIE Reaper.

20 minutes ago, MrMaggles said:

I'd loose the focus and Evade, makes it more interesting...

also with 2 agility the cloak would be broken on a large ship so I'd say make it 0 or 1

perhaps change the title to something like this...

You nailed MrMaggles and Celestial Lizard reading wookiepedia the TIE Reaper would fit nicely;

TIE Reaper (Mobile Firing Arc) (Large Base)

PS1 (Generic no EPT) 25pts

PS3 (Generic EPT) 27pts

PS5 (ACES EPT) 30pts

PS7 (ACES EPT) 33pts

Slots;

Attack - 2

Agility - 1

Hull - 5

Shields - 2

Slots;

Crew - 1

Tech - 1

System - 2

(Different enough from both the Upsilon and the Shuttle)

Action Bar; Target Lock, Rotate Arc.

Title; "The Liberation" 4pts

TIE Reaper (Only) Unique

Equipped Ship Gains the clock/de-clock action and looses the Rotate Arc action.

When De-clocking this ship uses a 1 Straight template, Large ship rules apply for barrel rolls.

I've got to admit I love the idea of the ICS and IDS systems.

How about another upgrade?
"System, TIE Reaper Only

Signal Scrambler

Action: All ships at Range 1 can not be assigned focus or evade tokens. Receive a Stress Token

3pts"

Open the Pivot Wing title up to the Lambda and the Upsilon as well XD

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Open the Pivot Wing title up to the Lambda and the Upsilon as well XD

I would pay good money to see a simulation of a Lamba attempting that move XD

Grand Admiral Thrawn is even more overkill than Palpatine in space battles. However, OP wanted, so OP gets;

Either in a Lambda Shuttle ace pack (Like HotR) or a Lancer Frigate epic expansion. Stress happens when Thrawn's plan is working.

Just now, Astech said:

Grand Admiral Thrawn is even more overkill than Palpatine in space battles. However, OP wanted, so OP gets;

Either in a Lambda Shuttle ace pack (Like HotR) or a Lancer Frigate epic expansion. Stress happens when Thrawn's plan is working.

This is worth WAY more than 5 points.

3 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

This is worth WAY more than 5 points.

And Attanni is worth way more than one. Sabine is worth 5...