What powers do you think Vader has? from everything I've seen so far I'm pretty sure I can say these for sure. Bind, Move, Enhance, Influence, and Unleash. Anything you guys think I'm missing? Anything you think I've got that he doesn't have?

sense

Suppress. Why else would neither Obi-Wan nor Luke have ever used offensive Force powers against him during those duels? Ben was certainly no stranger to using Force pushes in combat, and Luke in both Legends and Canon uses Force pushes offensively as well. (Granted, the real reason is pretty obvious: Technology was different and the ideas for the Force were different at the time.)

42 minutes ago, Underachiever599 said:

Suppress. Why else would neither Obi-Wan nor Luke have ever used offensive Force powers against him during those duels? Ben was certainly no stranger to using Force pushes in combat, and Luke in both Legends and Canon uses Force pushes offensively as well. (Granted, the real reason is pretty obvious: Technology was different and the ideas for the Force were different at the time.)

That's actually been explained, most light saber duels don't use much in the ways of force powers unless there is an obvious opening that would allow them to do so since using force powers opens them up to attack.

6 hours ago, Underachiever599 said:

Suppress. Why else would neither Obi-Wan nor Luke have ever used offensive Force powers against him during those duels? Ben was certainly no stranger to using Force pushes in combat, and Luke in both Legends and Canon uses Force pushes offensively as well. (Granted, the real reason is pretty obvious: Technology was different and the ideas for the Force were different at the time.)

Vader's probably got a monstrous Discipline score with a fairly high Willpower as well (4's at the very least). During his fights with Vader, Luke's own Willpower and Discipline are much lower (3's at best), so him using the Force offensively isn't going to amount to much, to say nothing of him likely committing his Force dice to both of Sense's Control upgrades so that he's actually got a decent chance in a one-on-one fight with Vader, especially the second go-round.

Obi-Wan knows first-hand just how powerful a Force user Vader is, and the last time he tried a Force push effect on a much younger and less-seasoned Vader, it resulted in both of them being flung across the room, and this time Vader's got a whole lot of support that'd be willing to gun the old man done on their boss' say-so. Better to avoid such a situation entirely and stick to the lightsaber.

Also, in Obi-Wan's case it's been nearly 20 years since he last fought Vader, who is now using a style of combat that he's unfamiliar with; it might be based on Form V, but it incorporates a lot more of Shii-Cho and Makashi than Anakin ever employed, so Ben's likely being cautious (a hallmark of Soresu) in his offense, probing for any weaknesses in Vader's defense that he can exploit without sacrificing his own defense.

Don't forget Protect with Mastery.

He reflects Han's blaster bolt with his hand.

Move, sense, suppress, bind, protect, influence(we see Anakin use it in the clone wars but not often), foresee (he knew the force was strong with Luke and the foresee sidebar covers being able to sensethe force around people) , enhance(boosting his piloting was a thing we know about), Seek (?)

Its the talents that would get me Baleful Gaze /Terrify / lets just say every conflict talent is on his radar.

Move, sense, suppress, bind, protect, influence(we see Anakin use it in the clone wars but not often), foresee (he knew the force was strong with Luke and the foresee sidebar covers being able to sensethe force around people) , enhance(boosting his piloting was a thing we know about), Seek (?)

Its the talents that would get me Baleful Gaze /Terrify / lets just say every conflict talent is on his radar.

I guess the shorter list is what doesn't he have?

On 5/24/2017 at 7:22 AM, Donovan Morningfire said:

Vader's probably got a monstrous Discipline score with a fairly high Willpower as well (4's at the very least). During his fights with Vader, Luke's own Willpower and Discipline are much lower (3's at best), so him using the Force offensively isn't going to amount to much, to say nothing of him likely committing his Force dice to both of Sense's Control upgrades so that he's actually got a decent chance in a one-on-one fight with Vader, especially the second go-round.

Are you sure about Vader having high Discipline and Willpower? Anakin certainly had lower Willpower; probably a 2 or 1 by FFG rules. He was too easily enticed by the Dark Side and couldn't control his petty outbursts. Vader certainly improved on that, but he still was prone to casually offing underlings who slighted him, and Luke was able to appeal to him to redeem him. I would say Vader probably had a 3 willpower with several ranks in Discipline (training from the Emperor).

1 hour ago, Volt80 said:

Are you sure about Vader having high Discipline and Willpower? Anakin certainly had lower Willpower; probably a 2 or 1 by FFG rules. He was too easily enticed by the Dark Side and couldn't control his petty outbursts. Vader certainly improved on that, but he still was prone to casually offing underlings who slighted him, and Luke was able to appeal to him to redeem him. I would say Vader probably had a 3 willpower with several ranks in Discipline (training from the Emperor).

Once Anakin set his mind to something, he was not easily swayed. And bear in mind that it wasn't just anyone that enticed him to the dark side, but a master manipulator who had pulled the wool over the eyes of the entire galaxy, who told Anakin exactly what he wanted to hear when he needed to hear it. And petty outbursts is probably more an issue of Presence making him difficult to like and hard for him properly compose himself in social situations.

The offing of underlings was done when they proved to be seriously incompetent, especially once he pretty much assumed command of the Imperial military, and not just to any random butterbar that happened to glance his direction. Admiral Motti went out of his way to belittle and degrade Vader, and Ozzel made a gross tactical error that prevented a quick victory at Hoth. By your estimation, Vader should have killed the officer that had audacity to talk back to Vader in the wake of the Tantive IV's capture, and yet Vader took no action against the guy as he was doing his job and providing sound advice to a superior officer.

Using some of Anakin's failings isn't also a great way, necessarily, to show his potentially weak stats. On the one hand, sure, Palpatine duped him, but he duped him by showing the Jedi to be full of it, too. There exists a power to save people, and it seems to have little, to no, consequences, based upon what we ever see, but the Jedi refuse to allow you to use it, even know about it, simply because it makes them feel uneasy, or conflicts with their dogma/ideology. While I didn't care for the prequel's portrayal of Anakin, or his fall, compared to what I knew from before that, I could certainly see Anakin saying "if it exists, why can't we use it? I need it, and it's there! We save people everyday; what makes this any different?" The Jedi would just argue that it's okay to die, which makes me wonder how they feel about some medicine, prolonging the lives of the injured, or infirm? Those same Jedi did also raise him with the knowledge of openly being some chosen one, so they, maybe, weakened his mental control, by making him a self-entitled little punk, and then deciding, in small groups, that maybe he wasn't, and treating him like "just another guy". First step of a Chosen One: don't tell the chosen one. Maybe Arthur was good because Merlin didn't tell him he'd be king; he grew up "normal".

Oh well, that's not entirely here, nor there. Vader was a firm believer in reminding people of the Power of the Dark Side, and did, from time to time, abuse his lofty rank. Tarkin was able to keep him in line, because Vader had received direct orders to obey Tarkin. When the Grand Moff went poof, the leash he was holding went with it (and second movies often need to be more dark, and edgy; he didn't do anything like this in RotJ, either). Tarkin did his rule through fear thing, and Vader reminded the important that their position wasn't promise against punishment; even Admirals will be held to account, so only your best will suffice. It's also not out of character with other Sith Lords, and I doubt that they ALL have crap WP.

As for his stats, as fun as that can be, in this system, I'd say he probably has a decent WP, mostly because he seems to have a decent Strain, even with the Dark Side penalty, seeing as he is pretty boss with Reflect, and Parry, which can get expensive, in regards to Strain. As Vader, I assume his "dump stat" is probably Agility, now that he is so tall, rigid, and slow.

I've always mocked him up with very high brawn and willpower; somewhat less impressive cunning and intellect (although still above average), and a low agility and presence; a high force rating (probably seven, maybe eight) and access with mastery of Bind, Move and Enhance at the very least; powerful use of Suppress, Influence, Sense and Unleash; being the chosen one and the most powerful natural force user in the continuity he likely had access to somewhat developed forms of most force abilities save for very explicit, high-end Sith techniques Palpatine wasn't amiable to sharing. I would imagine he would commit one of his excessive number of force die to boost that brawn higher yet.

Stat Build: 6 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 6 / 1

for people wondering why I gave him a 6 (!) in brawn, the suit is designed to slow him down and put him in constant pain (reason for willpower 6; he is in constant agony), not weaken him. The cybernetics obviously boost him well past typical strength (he is able to lift fully grown men off the ground with a single arm, throttle them and throw them across rooms on his own strength) maximum ranks in lightsaber, coercion and discipline, four ranks in piloting (space), mechanics, leadership, vigilance, athletics, resilience and most knowledge skills; three ranks in brawl, survival, gunnery and the remaining knowledge skills. Everything else I would say in certainly irrelevant.

Wounds and strain both in the mid-high 30's, with soak a little bit past 10. We already know Vader is not only one of the greatest duelists of the modern Star Wars era, but also the most experienced, so I would give him parry and reflect both somewhere in the 8-10 range, along with a few saber talents like Sarlacc Sweep, and access to a hearty few conflict talents.

Overpowered? Perhaps, but remember the book clearly states there isn't even a fight if you encounter Vader: it's just a narrative slaughter.