10 hours ago, Beatty said:

What if the there never was a SSD release? Would these threads eventually stop?

Probably not. Dreamers will dream and the Executor will remain just out of reach.

Just a what If, because these what If threads Never Happen... like not by the same people. Ever! It doesn't seem desperate at all. Just a what If. And that's a capital I in If.

(Seriously guys, we have several dozen threads on the SSD and mostly by the same people over and over. Why? I mean just why?)

If you don't like it, then by all means don't click on the thread. Lol.

5 hours ago, Beatty said:

The thread is an attempt to continue the pining for the SSD, and you know it. You want all Nay Sayers silenced. I get that but this topic has been posted at least 4 times! This is not a new thread at all!

I dont buy the innocent we're just talking line. The whole forum has become a place to make Wishlists and Demands for Rules Changes. It's threads like this that makes me realize the community is a bubble community only interested in hearing the same opinions. I won't be around for much longer if the community keeps this up.

I swear I only see you post negative comments

14 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I swear I only see you post negative comments

I have crossed paths with Beatty in every SSD thread I have participated in. While he does provide an oppositional opinion to the possibility of the SSD being depicted correctly if introduced into Armada, it is because he is a huge fan of the ship itself, and would rather have nothing than have an SSD that is in any way a pale shadow of what it should be. His negativity is not for negativities sake alone, but rather a logical issue derived from seeing no way an SSD that does justice to the Executor could be made playable and balanced in Armada. He is not only entitled to his opinion, but he also may be right. I can only conceive of a few possible avenues where FFG pulls off a version that even makes most people happy, and so many ways they could fail horribly. The odds are in his favor people, and he knows it. Please don't mistake his desire to see the SSD depicted accurately and not be balance breaking for Armada with trolling. This is something he has given a lot of thought to.

While he is obviously getting frustrated rehashing his position again and again, it doesn't make it invalid. This isn't a case of "Haters gonna hate" but rather "Cares too much to let it go".

So keep it friendly.

5 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

I have crossed paths with Beatty in every SSD thread I have participated in. While he does provide an oppositional opinion to the possibility of the SSD being depicted correctly if introduced into Armada, it is because he is a huge fan of the ship itself, and would rather have nothing than have an SSD that is in any way a pale shadow of what it should be. His negativity is not for negativities sake alone, but rather a logical issue derived from seeing no way an SSD that does justice to the Executor could be made playable and balanced in Armada. He is not only entitled to his opinion, but he also may be right. I can only conceive of a few possible avenues where FFG pulls off a version that even makes most people happy, and so many ways they could fail horribly. The odds are in his favor people, and he knows it. Please don't mistake his desire to see the SSD depicted accurately and not be balance breaking for Armada with trolling. This is something he has given a lot of thought to.

While he is obviously getting frustrated rehashing his position again and again, it doesn't make it invalid. This isn't a case of "Haters gonna hate" but rather "Cares too much to let it go".

So keep it friendly.

I would suggest that with the amount of SSD threads that continuously pop up, that Beatty is in the minority here, and the majority of players want the SSD even if it's not 100% perfect. Nothing in the game is 100% perfect.

So while Beatty is very much entitled to his opinion, thoughts, views, and his rights to express them, he's also entitled to simply not buy it when it is released if it's not upto his standards.

25 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

1 hour ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I swear I only see you post negative comments

I have crossed paths with Beatty in every SSD thread I have participated in. ...[snip]

So keep it friendly.

Agreed. @Beatty is a friend of mine who I know in real life. He's not a Negative Nelly. I think he may just not have had his daily dose of ketchup today.

That, and he has the erroneous opinion that the SSD should not appear in the game.

That's the thing, he most likely will buy it just for the model. He has said as much, but would rather have it not produced if it can't be made to work on all levels.

Is it really any different than some of the old school Star Wars fans that couldn't care less about the "new canon"? They are unwilling to throw out decades of stories just because Disney took a Mulligan. He is unwilling to throw out the grandeur of the Executor for game balance.

Wave 5 convinced me it was in the works already. I remain cautiously optimistic regarding the quality of the final product. My biggest question is how it will be introduced. Hence the opening post.

So far, the only hint from wave 6 is the size of the wave itself. Arguably the smallest price point, (waves 3 & 4 were originally intended to be one release, so I still count them as one for this), of any wave, suggesting something else is on the horizon.

Core- $100

Wave 1- $190

Wave 2- $160

Wave 3 & 4- $120 ($40 & $80 respectively)

Wave 5- $90

Wave 6- $70

With Asmodee shifting FFG to smaller, more timely waves, starting with wave 5, it also give us a ballpark for the SSD expansion's price point $70-$90.

X-wing waves average between $50-$115, and each Epic ship also falls in that range.

It wouldn't make sense to not include an ssd. I mean when ffg created this game they should have planned for a ship as popular as the executor to be included. It would be pretty stupid to not have a plan to introduce that ship into the game. They'd be throwing away money by not releasing one. Honestly if you were the game designer, you wouldn't design the game to include one of the most popular ships in the Star Wars universe?

2 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

It wouldn't make sense to not include an ssd. I mean when ffg created this game they should have planned for a ship as popular as the executor to be included. It would be pretty stupid to not have a plan to introduce that ship into the game. They'd be throwing away money by not releasing one. Honestly if you were the game designer, you wouldn't design the game to include one of the most popular ships in the Star Wars universe?

I've always assumed that is why the shield dials all go to six. ::shrug::

23 hours ago, Beatty said:

(Seriously guys, we have several dozen threads on the SSD and mostly by the same people over and over. Why? I mean just why?)

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I super don't believe you. A few dozen threads? By the same people each time?

Also, I really want an SSD.

I just remembered something I read in another forum.

FFG has said that if you see it on the screen it it will be in armada, it's only a matter of when.

The way I see it we will get a SSD unless armada goes down the tubes in sales before it's produces.

Sorry to all who don't want it but unless they go back on there word a SSD will be coming to a system near you eventually. But that could be a long eventually.

I still doubt this year. I think they are going to make sure they make it in the best way possible and that will take some time. If SWM20 is the SSD they are definitely making sure it's well depicted, balanced and playable.

Would be cool if they used SSD release to drop a few large ship+ only upgrades

43 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Would be cool if they used SSD release to drop a few large ship+ only upgrades

They've been pretty consistent about leaving the game open to an Epic ship size in other content (Corellian Conflict talks about "small, medium, and large" ships as if future-proofing those not being the only sizes in the game). I'm sad Konstantine is medium/large only, but I guess I can understand why they would never let him behind the wheel of the Executor.

2 hours ago, Nostromoid said:

I'm sad Konstantine is medium/large only, but I guess I can understand why they would never let him behind the wheel of the Executor.

Yeah, he's liable to crash it into a Quasar and die. . .

I hope we get some kind of SSD and epic play, Same size play area, increased fleet points to say 1000? but it goes to 12 turns instead of 6.

16 hours ago, Teloch said:

I hope we get some kind of SSD and epic play, Same size play area, increased fleet points to say 1000? but it goes to 12 turns instead of 6.

Eh, same size as six player epic battle. You're going to need room for that two foot long (my guess) monster to move around.

10 hours ago, Admiral Theia said:

Eh, same size as six player epic battle. You're going to need room for that two foot long (my guess) monster to move around.

The ssd that gets released will be the size of the x wing's raider and it's going to be glorious.

3 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

The ssd that gets released will be the size of the x wing's raider and it's going to be glorious.

It will be as if a thousand voices called out about "true scale", and were suddenly silenced.

As much as I want the SSD the ship as far as I can tell has yet to appear in the RPG ( although I do not own all the RPG books). to date the largest Imperial Starship to see Rpg stats is the Praetor II class . Assuming that SWM20 being missing is not just an oversight then it could be a Praetor class ship (which are Cannon. the Shield generator on hoth is from a Praetor).

as for Epic scale, I Do not see a need for it. no matter how you stat the SSD their will be players who are unhappy with her. since there were only 13 of them and no one has anything cannon to date to match her size and firepower I can't see creating a new set of rules and a new scale for a "one Off" ship class. it would be easier to modify the ship card for 6 facing, add a rules mod for there firing Arc;s and add a couple of Defense tokens and A.S. dice.

now I think we can all agree that we all want what's best for the game right? so if you can't wait for the SSD order one from Mel and Create your own stats or print some from KDY Shipyard. for that matter there are ship cards in the SSD threads that might satisfy you.

as for Beatty, well he's just voicing what a lot of us are thinking but do not want to say so try not to take offence. some one has to be the Devil's advocate while we all dream big. in this case that's Beatty.

8 minutes ago, solaria said:

... their will be players who are unhappy with her.

There's always someone who's unhappy with something. There's even a song for that.

The argument of just order one from Mel's is not very helpful. 3D printing is awesome technology, and I am going to order something from Mel at some point or another, but it is horribly expensive, especially if you want decent quality. Also, it's quite difficult to motivate people to let you play with something unofficial.

1 hour ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

There's always someone who's unhappy with something. There's even a song for that.

The argument of just order one from Mel's is not very helpful. 3D printing is awesome technology, and I am going to order something from Mel at some point or another, but it is horribly expensive, especially if you want decent quality. Also, it's quite difficult to motivate people to let you play with something unofficial.

call it what you will. I was not making an argument I was just pointing out the fact that Mel has it available. as for it being difficult to get someone to play with unofficial stuff. who says it will be any easier with an official one. the ship will be expensive to field and the Rebels will have to take a massive force to bring her Down which will discourage most people from playing against it ( not to mention the fact it will probably never be allowed in tournament play official or otherwise) .

Nice Nemechian though.

44 minutes ago, solaria said:

Nice Nemechian though.

Do you have a moment to discuss our lords and saviors, Team Four Star?

The SSD is coming the only thing I'm worried about is the upgrades that it comes with will I have to buy two of the suckers... if I do i may have to go without food for a month. I mean the thing is going to cost at least $100.00

33 minutes ago, xero989 said:

The SSD is coming the only thing I'm worried about is the upgrades that it comes with will I have to buy two of the suckers... if I do i may have to go without food for a month. I mean the thing is going to cost at least $100.00

Good point! Now I need to budget for two SSD expansions...

Worse problems to have. Bring it on FFG!

Yes, as many have said before the SSD will be coming very soon. The Executor is the most famous capital ship in any Star Wars movie. If it were too big for Armada, the entire game would have been designed at a smaller scale from the very beginning.

13 hours ago, Admiral Theia said:

It will be as if a thousand voices called out about "true scale", and were suddenly silenced.

this will most likely happen, but just for arguments sake, the ship sizes in armada:

These ships are all the same size: CR90, Raider, Nebulon B, Pelta, Gladiator, Arquittens

These ships are all the same size: Victory, AFMK2, Interdictor

These ships are all the same size: ISD, Home One, Liberty

Base plate = more important than the shiny model on top.