I think you are being a little too cynical. They're not going to plan to Nerf something and sell a bunch right before it.

I like both unique pilots. I like the generic possibility. I want to play with it using both turrets, tlt and synced. I like the prospect of unguided rockets. And I like intensity.

And I'll go on the record and say that despite the fact that imperials are my least played faction, I plan to buy two of them. And depending on what comes in the Scurrg two of them. The wookie fighter is probably going to be just one for now.

But like... quad TLT is one of the least imaginative and I'd posit weakest options out of this expansion. It's not like Quad TLT HWKs are crushing the meta currently. 5 HP is easily alpha strike range even behind 3(ish) agility. 3 defense dice roll 1 success on average still. I think there's some extreme sky is falling here over a hypothetical bait and switch over a hypothetical list which is probably not even going to be the best option.

The fact that quad TLT lists never reaches top table in systems open/worlds seem to suggest that FFG believes TLTs are fine.

And indeed they are fine. They were the cancer against fat PWT, but fat PWTs were cancer too. and now TLTs are kept in check by arc dodging cancers or Jumpmaster cancers.

In this meta where there is no clear room for free lunches, TLT deserves a spot as necessary evil to balance the force.

3 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

Yeah, you're a cynic. They're not going to nerf the ship before they even have a chance to collect tournament data.

Indeed. They are going to nerf TLT, because they have plenty of tournament data on that.

Because TLT was in two of the Top 16 lists, and those two lists only had a single copy of TLT, not even 2 of them? That's like saying Jumpmasters can't work without Atanni Mindlink because of worlds.

If that is the case then why aren't you selling your collection? If that's your prediction then there is no time than ever to start selling your TLTs as they are at a peak price and are only going to go down after the TIE-Agressor and further after your predicted nerf. You should be all Sell Sell Sell now and then wait to buy what your sold back at a net profit.

Seriously don't tell anyone just go sell out!

3 hours ago, Embir82 said:

I don't care how much time passed.

One of the greatest assets of Raider expansion was Palpatine card. Now it is useless.

And Palpatine card wasn't adjusted, it was destroyed.

No. Just no. Palpatine made top 16 at worlds. That's hardly "Destroyed"

14 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

No. Just no. Palpatine made top 16 at worlds. That's hardly "Destroyed"

Kind of true, it is the lambda shuttle and the palp aces archetype which got destroyed. On Rear Admiral Chiraneau and with Whisper Palp can still do some work and Kylo Ren has still some space on that ship. Now you will be hard pressed to argue that Kylo Ren is the more important card on that build. ;-)

18 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

No. Just no. Palpatine made top 16 at worlds. That's hardly "Destroyed"

yeah he's hardly "Destroyed". Still very playable, though I feel that the nerf is uncalled for.

I don't agree. Would quad TLT be nasty? Totally. But put LWF and the shiny new missles and you have a 21 point starviper without all the useless slots.

I have no love for TLT, but I respect them. Having said that & just spit-balling--but is there a possibility that the reason FFG isn't going to nerf TLT is because there may be help against them coming? I'm not imaginative enough to guess how, but could the possibility for it be found here:

Personally i hope there's a nerf in the works and the nerfed card will be printed in the Aggressor...

3 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Son of a. . .

Here I have spent 2 years tabling the Raider thinking it was one of the greatest asset of the Raider Expansion.

Color me stupid.

There are people who just don't play epic for valid reasons (in my case it's game length and the chore of carrying epic ships around).

For these people the only assets in the epic expansions are the non-epic cards, and it's difficult to NOT see stiff like Palpatine in the Raider as a cash grab move from FFG (pressuring non-epic players into buying epic expansions).

16 minutes ago, Force Majeure said:

I have no love for TLT, but I respect them. Having said that & just spit-balling--but is there a possibility that the reason FFG isn't going to nerf TLT is because there may be help against them coming? I'm not imaginative enough to guess how, but could the possibility for it be found here:

I still think TLT beats the defense of the gunship.

IMHO Reinforce should block 1 damage not just give 1 evade. That will help huge ships against TLTs.

If FFG nerfs the TLT Im all for it. Its kind of a BS card that doesn't do its original job that well as it pushes fun ships out of the meta (give an interceptor a chance!) If TLT gets nerfed the day of release, fine. I still have Unguided rockets, Intensity, and some really cool Pilots that might work wonders with a dorsal turret, even one of those newfangled Synch turret things

1 hour ago, Marinealver said:

I still think TLT beats the defense of the gunship.

IMHO Reinforce should block 1 damage not just give 1 evade. That will help huge ships against TLTs.

Too much.

..but TLT is our last hope against the mindlink!

8 hours ago, Johen Dood said:

FFG needs to clarify their position.

I'm somewhat confused here. Have FFG ever insinuated that there is the need for a TLT nerf? Or that it may be in the works? Or do they need to clarify something else? I'm honestly a bit confused here as it just looks a bit like paranoia and conspiracy. Am I missing something?

The Tie Aggressor comes with its own cure to TLT. Just do an Intensity barrel roll into range 1, get your focus and punish that lazy TLT player ;)!

Same I really only want to buy 2 cuz I know 2 TLT for 50 points will be wonderful for my Imp lists. Lightweight Frame is also a huge deal. Unguided rockets might be okay. But I'm done with days of wanting to joust with crappy tie Bombers anyway.
If they do nerf TLT, ill be kind of happy cuz its a pretty strong upgrade, but I'll be sad cuz taht probably means we go back to Wave5 2ship turret shtt show again and really, itll probably be an even worse game.

I probably won't buy it at all if TLT gets nerfed. From 2 to 0.

To be honest , I think that this release is more about evening out the playing field, by giving everyone access to TLTs.

Otherwise we would (and imho, should) have seen an errata by now.

Its not like TLT sees play outside of Stresshogs and Ghosts right now, neither of which are particularly dominating. The Ghost might be a bit on the strong side, but that is easily fixable by making it small ship only.

7 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Its not like TLT sees play outside of Stresshogs and Ghosts right now, neither of which are particularly dominating. The Ghost might be a bit on the strong side, but that is easily fixable by making it small ship only.

Miranda is the big player who uses it, and she's definitely a big player at the moment.

42 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Miranda is the big player who uses it, and she's definitely a big player at the moment.

Dang, I absolutely forgot about her - she is good even without TLT, though, demonstrated by Nand Torfs worlds placement. She can however be adjusted independently of TLT through her ability if she becomes overbearing.

9 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Son of a. . .

Here I have spent 2 years tabling the Raider thinking it was one of the greatest asset of the Raider Expansion.

Color me stupid.

Give it up man, you're a casual player in a competitive thread. Just like me.

I'll just continue to play my HotAC and if FFG nerfs the TLT, all the better I guess, finally some time to take other turrets into consideration for the Y-wing players in my group.

Take off your mcdonalds tin foil plastic wrapper hat.