1 hour ago, Archangelspiv said:

I was going to say exactly this, but you added pictures which is so much better. TIE Aggressor is not the same as Aggressor. This is yet another case of people reading into something as they want it to say rather than what it actually says.

Please no more OMG Aggressor title posts...

This is exactly the opposite of reality. https://i.imgur.com/T2FIsID.jpg page 20 of the rules reference. "TIE Aggressor" contains the entire text of "Aggressor", making it a legal upgrade RAW.

1 hour ago, boomaster said:

But the Tie Aggressor isn't an Aggressor.. it's a TIE AGGRESSOR..... I know thus has been done to death before, but really people.

See above. Doesn't need the whole text, or, as people have said, things like twin ion engine mk2 wouldn't work.

7 hours ago, boomaster said:

But the Tie Aggressor isn't an Aggressor.. it's a TIE AGGRESSOR..... I know thus has been done to death before, but really people.

If the TIE Aggressor isn't an Aggressor, then it isn't a TIE.

7 hours ago, BadMotivator said:

So yes, RAW it totally works.

..snip...

...nobody would have any basis in the rules to say I couldn't play this.

You can't play it. Not now. Something about products having to be released.

7 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

I was going to say exactly this, but you added pictures which is so much better. TIE Aggressor is not the same as Aggressor. This is yet another case of people reading into something as they want it to say rather than what it actually says.

Please no more OMG Aggressor title posts...

Scum only for the title will happen next FAQ, 99%. Don't waste your time trying to practice IG-8000 in 100 points.

30 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Scum only for the title will happen next FAQ, 99%. Don't waste your time trying to practice IG-8000 in 100 points.

I don't think anyone honestly expects this to work. It's just fun to find and point out this kind of rules glitches.

Just now, LordBlades said:

I don't think anyone honestly expects this to work. It's just fun to find and point out this kind of rules glitches.

Exactly! Theorycrafting if never a waste of time. Brain cells maybe, but not time.

9 hours ago, nigeltastic said:

Seems so assuming "primary weapon" counts as a weapon which I don't know why it wouldn't. May be another day 1 FAQ either to clarify that or to adjust that to be only making a 'double tap' with a secondary.

It does. You only have to equip one secondary weapon for this to work.

9 hours ago, boomaster said:

But the Tie Aggressor isn't an Aggressor.. it's a TIE AGGRESSOR..... I know thus has been done to death before, but really people.

How does a T70 X-Wing equip Integrated Astromech, which is X-Wing only? A T70 X-Wing isn't an X-Wing, it's a T70 X-Wing. Identical logic.

Given that a T70 X-Wing can equip Integrated Astromech, why by RAW can a TIE Aggressor not equip IG2000?

Please give your reasoning.

I don't remotely think this will remain possible; I'm certain there will be errata, most likely making the title Scum Only, or making it so titles specifically can only be equipped if the name exactly matches (which would be a really annoying bit of inconsistency within the rules but would work), which I don't think would currently break any of them.

But as written at present it works.

Literally nobody, AFAICT, is saying it SHOULD CONTINUE to work. Just pointing out an amusing quirk of the rules as written.

I just wish they'd named the TIE, the TIE/ag instead of the TIE Aggressor. Giving it its canon designation would have avoided this entirely.

10 hours ago, joyrock said:

Yes, yes it does.

You don't want it to work because, quite frankly, it's dumb, but going by the rules, it does work. The only limitation for equipping a ship specific card is that you have the entirety of the required name in your title, NOT that your title match the requirement exactly. It's why the Tie Adv. Prototype can equip TIE only upgrades, but not the Tie Advanced only title.

Well FFG broke that rule with the Raider Class Corvette.

Based on that the Tie Adv. Prototype should be able to equip the x1 title. But it can't. There pretty much is no coherent rule.

The tittles should have read "Raider-Class Corv. (Aft) only. Title."

5 minutes ago, Reaver027 said:

Well FFG broke that rule with the Raider Class Corvette.

Based on that the Tie Adv. Prototype should be able to equip the x1 title. But it can't. There pretty much is no coherent rule.

The tittles should have read "Raider-Class Corv. (Aft) only. Title."

Yeah, that's still a bit of a screwup. Epic gets mostly ignored from this perspective.

8 hours ago, LordBlades said:

I don't think anyone honestly expects this to work. It's just fun to find and point out this kind of rules glitches.

You are up to a big surprise. Just check out the another thread on this topic, which started right after the announcement article. There are a bunch of people who honestly think that the combo makes perfect sense and should work.

This is so absurd. Yes, it's fun to speculate, but does anyone really think FFG wouldn't think of this as well? It's too ridiculous.

4 minutes ago, Ubul said:

You are up to a big surprise. Just check out the another thread on this topic, which started right after the announcement article. There are a bunch of people who honestly think that the combo makes perfect sense and should work.

It does work now, but it wont by the time the ship comes out because it's a simple fix.

18 hours ago, BadMotivator said:

Yes it does.

All TIE Aggressors are Aggressors, but not all Aggressors are TIE Aggressors.

This is pretty basic actually. Take a stats class and learn about Sets.

The IG-2000 title is for the set labeled Aggressor. Which is any ship with Aggressor in it's name. Just like TIE Mk2 Engines are for any ship with TIE in it's name.

Now, presumably because of a colossal goofup, the TIE Aggressor is in the Aggressor Set. Thus it is qualified for anything that specifies Aggressor.

Is it intended? No.

Is it currently perfectly legal to put the IG-2000 title on a TIE Aggressor? Yes.

You using Math rules makes me happy.

And that does RAW stand for?

4 minutes ago, Norym said:

And that does RAW stand for?

"Rules As Written"

As @thespaceinvader points out ffg could have named the ship "TIE/ag" to avoid this, but it would have been the first TIE to have its model designation (rather than full name) on the pilot card. Closest being the original Darth Vader pilot card which for some reason does not have identical text to the other x1 pilots.

Similarly they could have misspelled it "TIE Agressor" which would have been just enough stop this discussion.

8 hours ago, Reaver027 said:

Well FFG broke that rule with the Raider Class Corvette.

Based on that the Tie Adv. Prototype should be able to equip the x1 title. But it can't. There pretty much is no coherent rule.

The tittles should have read "Raider-Class Corv. (Aft) only. Title."

Wondered how long it would take for someone to ponit out the raidre titles. Yes, RAW the raider titles don't work on the raider. If FFG actually cared about epic beyond releasing occasional ships and had more competitive support for it, they'd fix it. As it is, they don't care enough.

And the TIE Adv. Prototype can not equip the x1 title because it does not contain the entirety of the word "Advanced". "Adv." != "Advanced".

2 hours ago, Ubul said:

You are up to a big surprise. Just check out the another thread on this topic, which started right after the announcement article. There are a bunch of people who honestly think that the combo makes perfect sense and should work.

That's not the way I remember that thread. I recall people making the same arguments as here. RAW it works perfectly. No one expects that to stand when the ship actually releases though.

1 hour ago, Celestial Lizards said:

This is so absurd. Yes, it's fun to speculate, but does anyone really think FFG wouldn't think of this as well? It's too ridiculous.

I don't think anyone believes the title will work after the ship is released. It is merely absurd, ridiculous and most importantly fun.

2 hours ago, Norym said:

And that does RAW stand for?

Rules as Written, and it's the opposite of "Rules as Intended."

In this case, RAW says we can equip the title but obviously RAI is that it's supposed to only work on the Aggressor and not the TIE Aggressor. The two phrases are used a lot in tabletop game rules lawyermancy.

16 minutes ago, HammerGibbens said:

Rules as Written, and it's the opposite of "Rules as Intended."

Those are not opposites. The goal is for them to be the same.

Just now, stonestokes said:

Those are not opposites. The goal is for them to be the same.

I just meant in the case of the TIE Aggressor title here but yeah I didn't make that super clear

21 hours ago, skotothalamos said:

The preview articles include builds using it.

Whoa! Let's not get crazy here. FFG preview articles are the last source one would reference for accurate rules interpretations!

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. QED"

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

1 hour ago, stonestokes said:

Those are not opposites. The goal is for them to be the same.

Yes, and in theory everything works in practice.

2 hours ago, VanderLegion said:

And the TIE Adv. Prototype can not equip the x1 title because it does not contain the entirety of the word "Advanced". "Adv." != "Advanced".

If you have foreign language cards that don't use the abbreviation, it works, except for the errata.

Anyway, FFG, I am an Imperial Player that dabbles into Scum (By which I mean both other factions) whenever there is an upgrade card in the pack that I can use. If you don't want me buying any IG-2000s, then sure, errata it. Will save me some money.

Same if you make Bomblet Generator Scum and Rebel only. Like your ridiculous decision with the Imperial developed Arc Caster.