What an amazing ability vs token stackers and autothrusters!
Sadly, she's another example of Day 1 erratum because, as-written, she doesn't function.
Dice cancellation is not a modification. The "attacker modifies defense dice, then defender modifies defense dice" timing sequence does not apply: canceling results happens during the "Compare results" step unless otherwise specified, and, unfortunately, it's meaningless to cancel any remaining focus/blank results by that time.
Yeah... She kinda doesn't work.
She needs to be rewritten to read "When attacking, the defender may not modify blank or focus results"
2 minutes ago, BadMotivator said:Yeah... She kinda doesn't work.
She needs to be rewritten to read "When attacking, the defender may not modify blank or focus results"
All she needs is, "... before the modify defense dice step, ..." and then it works fine.
But it's a day 1 erratum and that's just poor business.
Just like Jabba. FFG are on a one company mission to become a laughing stock.
7 minutes ago, Sparklelord said:What an amazing ability vs token stackers and autothrusters !
Sadly, she's another example of Day 1 erratum because, as-written, she doesn't function.
Dice cancellation is not a modification. The "attacker modifies defense dice, then defender modifies defense dice" timing sequence does not apply: canceling results happens during the "Compare results" step unless otherwise specified, and, unfortunately, it's meaningless to cancel any remaining focus/blank results by that time.
See Accuracy Corrector for the precedent of how it'll actually work. It should really read "When attacking, during the 'Modify Defense Dice' step..."
Another Imperial laughing stock. Can we rename the game Scumwing yet?
Just now, Johen Dood said:Another Imperial laughing stock. Can we rename the game Scumwing yet?
It was never TIE Fighter (or imperial-wing) in the first place. And Rebels have been doing well still
1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:It was never TIE Fighter (or imperial-wing) in the first place. And Rebels have been doing well still
Yeah, but not with X-wings...
9 minutes ago, BadMotivator said:Yeah, but not with X-wings...
Didn't Wedge wina store championship the other day?
And biggs is still popular!
I think that the actual issue is she has no timing on her ability so it is somewhat unclear when it can be used. The assertion about abilities which cancel dice is entirely unsupported by the faq and rules reference unless I've missed something. That said there is no timing window on the flow chart which specifically allows for abilities which cancel dice. Every other ability thus far gives a timing explicitly including crack shot which got errata to clarify timing.
36 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:See Accuracy Corrector for the precedent of how it'll actually work. It should really read "When attacking, during the 'Modify Defense Dice' step..."
I hope it is not intended like that. Thats really OP, I think it should be like 4-lom crew (during the Modify Attack Dice step), you should have to spend focus token before seeing the defenders rolls. Someone on a focus token rolling three eyeballs and then getting them all cancelled is zuckuss territory NPE. She will be able to one shot aces at range 3 through a rock with homing missile + crackshot.
25 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:Didn't Wedge wina store championship the other day?
And biggs is still popular!
Forget Wedge, someone took second with Tarn, Hobbie, Biggs and a Rookie.
I forgot how much I love Store Championship season. It seems to be the perfect antidote to all the doom and gloom on the forum.
And yes, I know store champ results don't invalidate the complaints. But the diversity is there at the local level and it's fun to see.
16 minutes ago, wurms said:I hope it is not intended like that. Thats really OP, I think it should be like 4-lom crew (during the Modify Attack Dice step), you should have to spend focus token before seeing the defenders rolls. Someone on a focus token rolling three eyeballs and then getting them all cancelled is zuckuss territory NPE. She will be able to one shot aces at range 3 through a rock with homing missile + crackshot.
Only if she has target lock and focus at PS7. And may not do any damage if you roll natural evades. Everything is fine. We're all fine here.
36 minutes ago, WAC47 said:Forget Wedge, someone took second with Tarn, Hobbie, Biggs and a Rookie.
I forgot how much I love Store Championship season. It seems to be the perfect antidote to all the doom and gloom on the forum.
And yes, I know store champ results don't invalidate the complaints. But the diversity is there at the local level and it's fun to see.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.
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3 minutes ago, gamblertuba said:Only if she has target lock and focus at PS7. And may not do any damage if you roll natural evades. Everything is fine. We're all fine here.
Backdraft + Target Synch. Easy to get a TL for her.
Homing Missile + crackshot on 3 green dice with only natural evades is expected damage output of 3.31. So about every other time she will one shot a 4hp, agi 3 ace like Fenn, Inquisitor, etc. at range 3. It is a very powerful ability. Maybe a little too good. Im not opposed to wiping out Fenn Rau, but abilities like these just drive people towards large ships with a lot of HP. Anti-green dice abilties suck when ships are designed to survive with them.
Where are the anti HP missiles/abilities?
"When attacking, if the enemy ship has 5 or more hull, roll 2 extra attack dice."
45 minutes ago, wurms said:I hope it is not intended like that. Thats really OP, I think it should be like 4-lom crew (during the Modify Attack Dice step), you should have to spend focus token before seeing the defenders rolls. Someone on a focus token rolling three eyeballs and then getting them all cancelled is zuckuss territory NPE. She will be able to one shot aces at range 3 through a rock with homing missile + crackshot.
It's the only way that makes any sense. If it had to be before they rolled it would DEFINITELY say so, since you can't cancel dice that don't exist yet. And if it happened in the modify defense dice step it would be the most useless ability they could create, since if you're already in the modify defense dice step, eyeballs and blanks don't matter. It WILL be in the modify defense dice step. They roll, you can spend a focus to cancel their non-evade results. They can still spend evade tokens, use concord dawn protector, etc.
45 minutes ago, WAC47 said:Forget Wedge, someone took second with Tarn, Hobbie, Biggs and a Rookie.
I forgot how much I love Store Championship season. It seems to be the perfect antidote to all the doom and gloom on the forum.
And yes, I know store champ results don't invalidate the complaints. But the diversity is there at the local level and it's fun to see.
I've flown tarn/hobbie/biggs/rookie quite a few times, it's a really fun list.
I also love how much imperials have shown up winning and/or in the cuts at store champs given how much everyone complains on here about them being unplayable.
My question is, what's the timing between the LT removing dice from the pool, and LWF rolling the extra die?
1 minute ago, Rakaydos said:My question is, what's the timing between the LT removing dice from the pool, and LWF rolling the extra die?
LWF is first. LWF is as soon as you roll, before dice modifications.
8 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:LWF is first. LWF is as soon as you roll, before dice modifications.
That presumes that Kestal takes place during the "Attacker Modifies Defense Dice" step. If the FAQ allows her ability to be used after rolling defense dice, then it'd come down to initiative.
lol are you guys kidding right now
I feel like they are not
If it's Imperial, it will not work well; for if it does, it'll be nerfed pre-2018 Worlds.
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.....goes great on tater-tots.
32 minutes ago, PhantomFO said:That presumes that Kestal takes place during the "Attacker Modifies Defense Dice" step. If the FAQ allows her ability to be used after rolling defense dice, then it'd come down to initiative.
It will absolutely be during the attacker modified defense dice step.
Lol! FFG has made rule/errata/FAQ jungle that they can't even keep up with it themselves...
They need new development department lawyer section, something like pharmaceutical companies use.
Edited by Zazaa1 hour ago, nigeltastic said:I think that the actual issue is she has no timing on her ability so it is somewhat unclear when it can be used. The assertion about abilities which cancel dice is entirely unsupported by the faq and rules reference unless I've missed something. That said there is no timing window on the flow chart which specifically allows for abilities which cancel dice. Every other ability thus far gives a timing explicitly including crack shot which got errata to clarify timing.
That's fair, I was a bit over assertive about the general timing of cancellation. As it turns out, cancelling dice via card text is left out of the Rules reference as a whole (I did check before I posted) and inconsistently applied in all other places.
Things that cancel dice (and when):
-Crack Shot (start of Compare results)
-Bossk (before Deal Damage)
-Wampa (start of Compare results)
-Accuracy Corrector (modify attack dice)
-Ion/Flechette Cannon, Tractor Beam, Ion Pulse Missiles, Twin Laser Turret, Ion Cannon Turret, XX-23 S-thread Tracers (end of Compare results)
And I believe that's an exhaustive list.
But again, cancelling dice is not the same as modifying dice, and because of the Accuracy Corrector example, I put the phrase in "unless otherwise specified". Fact of the matter is, it's always specified when you cancel dice via card text... except in the unfortunate Lt.'s case. A.C. is the only one that doesn't do it in "Compare Results" or later (thanks Bossk), and while that is definitely how it is going to function after they errata it, it's also definitely not how it works now.