Intensity : another card soon to be FAQed?

By Cpt Barbarossa, in X-Wing

52 minutes ago, EdgeOfDreams said:

I disagree that it's "almost as good as PTL". Intensity doesn't let you Focus+TL, or Boost+Barrel Roll, or Focus+Evade.

And I'm totally ok with giving a new cheap action economy card to ships that don't have the dial for PTL. It could be just what certain ships need to become more viable. Imagine Guri with this version of Intensity. I'd love to fly that, and I don't think it would be broken.

And yet it allows you to perform any maneuver on your dial, makes you far less predictable and less prone to extra stress. Let me put it this way: mindlink is considered absolutely top tier and all it does is to provide a focus token to a ship provided an ally performs a focus action, while having a significant drawback in the form of stress-sharing. If intensity was what you proposed, it would do roughly same thing except:

- it would not require an ally to focus (or indeed for an ally to be present at all),

- it would allow you to take evade instead (even on ships that otherwise can't take it),

- it would have no stress-sharing drawback, making it actually useful on far greater variety of ships.

Of course, it would have drawbacks of it's own:

- 1 point more expensive,

- 1 action needs to be repositioning (that said, on many high PS aces you do want to do that in order to get into a good position - and if you're already in a best possible position, having just one action isn't the worst thing ever),

- won't work when bumped or stressed.

Even with these, the card would be way over the top in the form you proposed.

5 minutes ago, Lightrock said:

And yet it allows you to perform any maneuver on your dial, makes you far less predictable and less prone to extra stress. Let me put it this way: mindlink is considered absolutely top tier and all it does is to provide a focus token to a ship provided an ally performs a focus action, while having a significant drawback in the form of stress-sharing. If intensity was what you proposed, it would do roughly same thing except:

- it would not require an ally to focus (or indeed for an ally to be present at all),

- it would allow you to take evade instead (even on ships that otherwise can't take it),

- it would have no stress-sharing drawback, making it actually useful on far greater variety of ships.

Of course, it would have drawbacks of it's own:

- 1 point more expensive,

- 1 action needs to be repositioning (that said, on many high PS aces you do want to do that in order to get into a good position - and if you're already in a best possible position, having just one action isn't the worst thing ever),

- won't work when bumped or stressed.

Even with these, the card would be way over the top in the form you proposed.

It'd be worse than Mindlink. The best part of mindlink is getting tokens even if you're stressed or bump. And mindlink lets you focus/evade (if you have the evade action), double focus (if you aren't the first ship to do the focus action), focus/TL, etc.

Intensity ONLY lets you get one reposition and a focus or evade token, and it only works if you get an action. Stressed? No actions, no tokens, where the mindlinked ship will still get a focus (most likely). Bumped? Same thing.

Sure, it doesn't pass stress to anyone else, but it also doesn't give you TOKENS from anyone else (or pass them TO anyone else), so...

Anything to promote more Jake Farrell shenanigans I am on board with!

2 hours ago, Gingerleo said:

I'm not necessarily calling straight for a nerf, just wondering if others agree that the combo seems quite powerful...basically PTL even when you have 2 stress tokens! Seems crazy good to me...

It seems in-line with other EPTs. Using your example, the pilot would get a 1-time boost of a focus or evade, then likely wouldn't be able to recharge it without clearing stress or some outside assistance. Likewise, under your example, since the pilot is double stressed, it would need primed thrusters to even do a boost/BR to trigger intensity in the first place - that doesn't seem OP.

1 hour ago, Sabre 7 said:

9 Poe + BB8 + Intensity + Primed thrusters.

1. Reveal a green maneuver, perform free BR action, receive free focus, shed TL.
2. Perform maneuver, and then perform regular TL or boost as action.
3. modify focus results with ability, and then spend at end of turn to flip intensity.
4. Profit

3 actions, no stress, and remove a target lock

But then you'd have to fly Poe...

Intensity is fine. At best, you get one amazing turn. But then spend a turn recharging it, during which you are not modifying any dice.

I'm looking forward to running it on Vader,

Vader: Intensity, Engine Upgrade, TIEx1, ATC

I don't think it is in the same league as x7 at all. The x7 title cost negative points and lowered the cost of Defenders enough that people actually used them. AND it had a huge benefit. Intensity could be paired with Primed Thrusters on a ship and give a token after a repositioning action that is immune to stress, but it costs points to add that combo to your ship and there are guaranteed other choices of upgrades in those slots that may be better for your ship, rather than the x7 title being only one of two titles available for a ship and an "auto-include." They aren't comparable situations.

Edited by EYEL1NER

Poe pretty much makes it look "the best" without much effort.

2 hours ago, Sabre 7 said:

9 Poe + BB8 + Intensity + Primed thrusters.

1. Reveal a green maneuver, perform free BR action, receive free focus, shed TL.
2. Perform maneuver, and then perform regular TL or boost as action.
3. modify focus results with ability, and then spend at end of turn to flip intensity.
4. Profit

3 actions, no stress, and remove a target lock

Don't forget, if you trigger BB8 and choose to boost after, that triggers Black One and Intensity twice. So two focuses, two evade tokens, or a focus and an evade . Even when stressed.

Edit: I done goofed, Intensity flips after the first time.

Edited by joyrock
2 minutes ago, joyrock said:

Don't forget, if you trigger BB8 and choose to boost after, that triggers Black One and Intensity twice. So two focuses, two evade tokens, or a focus and an evade. Even when stressed.

Nope, because intensity would be exhausted

2 minutes ago, joyrock said:

Don't forget, if you trigger BB8 and choose to boost after, that triggers Black One and Intensity twice. So two focuses, two evade tokens, or a focus and an evade. Even when stressed.

Except you can't BB8 while stressed, unless coupled with Primed Thrusters.

3 minutes ago, joyrock said:

Don't forget, if you trigger BB8 and choose to boost after, that triggers Black One and Intensity twice. So two focuses, two evade tokens, or a focus and an evade. Even when stressed.

Except you flip Intensity over after the first use and can't flip it back till the end of the combat phase.

1 minute ago, DeathstarII said:

Nope, because intensity would be exhausted

Yeah whoops, I goofed.

Just now, Tlfj200 said:

Except you can't BB8 while stressed, unless coupled with Primed Thrusters.

True, but we're talking directly about a build with Primed Thrusters, so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up.

Just now, joyrock said:

Yeah whoops, I goofed.

True, but we're talking directly about a build with Primed Thrusters, so I'm not sure why you'd bring that up.

I missed that part.

So we're strictly talking about Super Poe - Intensity, Primed Thrusters, Autothrusters, ?R5-P9?, and title? 41 Points?



1 minute ago, Tlfj200 said:

I missed that part.

So we're strictly talking about Super Poe - Intensity, Primed Thrusters, Autothrusters, ?R5-P9?, and title? 41 Points?



BB8 was the discussion, but otherwise yes.

3 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

I missed that part.

So we're strictly talking about Super Poe - Intensity, Primed Thrusters, Autothrusters, ?R5-P9?, and title? 41 Points?



R5p9 doesn't pair well with intesity at all. If you want intensity Poe with regen run r2d2

There is one Pilot out there that is going to love this.

Jake Farrel. Jake is going to love this.

  1. Focus
  2. Free Boost
  3. Intensity grants a Focus
  4. Free Barrel Roll
  5. PTL Target Lock/Evade

4 of the 5 actions on his bar! Plus with double focus meaning there's a VERY good chance he will also be able to reset Intensity in the same turn. Run him alongside Ahsoka and you get to do it all in the Combat Phase.

Edited by Sonikgav
1 minute ago, Sonikgav said:

There is one Pilot out there that is going to love this.

Jake Farrel. Jake is going to love this.

  1. Focus
  2. Free Boost
  3. Intensity grants a Focus
  4. Free Barrel Roll
  5. PTL Target Lock/Evade

4 of the 5 actions on his bar! Plus with double focus meaning there's a VERY good chance he will also be able to reset Intensity in the same turn. Run him alongside Ahsoka and you get to do it all!

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Will Garven Dreis be relevant? His focus can essentially keep intensity alive. Giving Xwings like Intense Wedge an evade token every round.

Just now, BlodVargarna said:

Why you gotta hate man? Hate is like, the Dark side n shizzle.

3 minutes ago, wurms said:

Will Garven Dreis be relevant? His focus can essentially keep intensity alive. Giving Xwings like Intense Wedge an evade token every round.

I now need to see an "Intense Wedge!"

Edited by Sonikgav

Intense Wedge with Vectored Thrusters might be a thing.

6 hours ago, Gingerleo said:

Intensity looks cool, with lots of fun combos to try out...but one combo that seems much too powerful is Intensity + Primed Thrusters.

Stressed? Don't care, I can still BR or Boost. Double stressed? Nope, don't care, still getting my focus.

I get the feeling this should have had the same treatment as X7 : focus ACTION, not assign.

Thoughts?

Disagree.

X-7 was assign (as you rightly point out) with no associated cost. To use Intensity you MUST flip the card and execute a boost or barrel roll to gain a focus/evade, then to reuse your EPT you need to save a focus (or evade) to flip the card. Placing an action (token) tax on the ability. A Defender could evade every round with X-7, you can only do it once with Intensity before you need to pay the tax to set it up again. It's a situational powerful card, why is that a bad thing?

Edited by boomaster

What about R7-T1? Could be a fun/potent combo : boost, TL and focus in one action...

4 hours ago, WWHSD said:

No. That's what the Tournament Regulations are for.

They used to ball all established into one document called the FAQ, then they got split up. however much of the competitive format section of the FAQ was left out. Such as "Changing Dials in the activation phase will not be tolerated".

To be honest the latest Tournament section was the skimpiest of all especially when it comes to dials. Besides FAQs should not be a reballancing thing, it should be clarifying card interactions. Erratas can be used for balance but should be used sparingly as such. However if you are going to errata nerf card then you really should be errata buffing the same number of cards as well.

But those calling for an FAQ to nerf really need to shut up (or take their energy talking politics on twitter).