1 hour ago, NobodyInParticular said:

That did occur to me, but then there was this bit:

Dodonna - AFFM, ET, or StM. Depends on how you've built your list. AFFM is fun with choosing crits like crazy though.
Garm - All 3, though I can see StM working well with him and some Assault Frigate and MC80 friends. Biggs has a list that he's built with StM ....
Rieekan - Generally AFFM or ET. AFFM if you're going fighters, ET if you're going rammer-spammer (CR90B's with Reinforced Blast Doors and Engine Techs)

. . . which made me think otherwise, since if he's listing which cards of the three to use with which commander, then why completely skip over EF when listing them? 'For Rieekn either use AFFM or Engine Techs, [...] the latter if you're flying CR90B's with [...] Engine Techs' is a bit redundant. . .

Anyways it's not a big deal (after all everybody gets your intent), but I thought I might as well point it out.

Whoops, ill change it in a minute.

1 hour ago, NobodyInParticular said:

That did occur to me, but then there was this bit:

Dodonna - AFFM, ET, or StM. Depends on how you've built your list. AFFM is fun with choosing crits like crazy though.
Garm - All 3, though I can see StM working well with him and some Assault Frigate and MC80 friends. Biggs has a list that he's built with StM ....
Rieekan - Generally AFFM or ET. AFFM if you're going fighters, ET if you're going rammer-spammer (CR90B's with Reinforced Blast Doors and Engine Techs)

. . . which made me think otherwise, since if he's listing which cards of the three to use with which commander, then why completely skip over EF when listing them? 'For Rieekn either use AFFM or Engine Techs, [...] the latter if you're flying CR90B's with [...] Engine Techs' is a bit redundant. . .

Anyways it's not a big deal (after all everybody gets your intent), but I thought I might as well point it out.

FIxed, not sure how i ended up switching that like that...

3 hours ago, NobodyInParticular said:

I see. I agree with you that bringing back the Jedi only to have their powers immediately nullified twice is annoying (not that I like Jedi too much to begin with, but whatever), but I liked the idea of a Force-less race. So: Idea of race, good-to-decent. Timing (in universe)/writing, meh. Yes?

They did eventually learn to use things manipulated by force against Vong though. Just because Vong were force void doesn't mean they were not affected by force manipulated things XD

4 hours ago, Green Knight said:

The concept of the race - int eh SW setting.

Finally you have the Jedi back...

...and then you go ahead and focus on plot arcs where the Jedi can't really use their powers.

It started with those ysalamari (?) in the Thrawn books.

This was just more of the same, only worse.

That was my main issue.

Quality of writing was mediocre at best, but certainly not worse than a lot of other SW novels.

Oh, a lot of my complaints in the article is the simple fact that they're SO edgelord. We hate machines, and we torture ourselves to show how strong we are. We love pain so much, so much pain. It's coarse and gets in everything. Also I have many complaints about Vector Prime and what happens in that book. You don't kill..... sigh, it's fine. IT'S FINE!

24 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Oh, a lot of my complaints in the article is the simple fact that they're SO edgelord. We hate machines, and we torture ourselves to show how strong we are. We love pain so much, so much pain. It's coarse and gets in everything. Also I have many complaints about Vector Prime and what happens in that book. You don't kill..... sigh, it's fine. IT'S FINE!

I very strongly dislike the sci-fi trope of "race who use organic/biological everything instead of machines, except their biological stuff does exactly everything that technology normally does in the setting". It feels very lazy and non-committal.

1 minute ago, svelok said:

I very strongly dislike the sci-fi trope of "race who use organic/biological everything instead of machines, except their biological stuff does exactly everything that technology normally does in the setting". It feels very lazy and non-committal.

There were like 20 books, too! And like the first half of the series was just like "OH NOES UNBEATABLE SPACE BDSM WEIRDOES WE LOSE AGAIN!" So frustrating to read in retrospect. But they GREW their own ships, maaaaaaaaaan. You gotta stop poisoning the planet, because we do what we do out of love for our extra edgelord gods or whatever.

Also Jacen goes evil because screw it, it's not like he would have learned anything from his family history or anything, NOOOOOOOO!

My main problem with the NJO books?

They state that Palpatine was a good guy for starting two intergalactic wars, destroying the Jedi, embracing the Dark Side, and throwing down a civilization that had lasted for a thousand generations. Or years. He did it all to protect the galaxy from the Vong, and was a misunderstood antihero doing what he had to, not a villain grasping for as much power as possible.

I set the book aside unfinished and didn't read a Star Wars novel for the better part of a decade when I realized that's what the authors were driving at, and that they had so fundamentally misunderstood Star Wars.

The Dark Side is selfishness and greed incarnate, and anyone who embraces that should not be portrayed as any kind of hero. They've given into their darkest impulses and come out the other side as a twisted being, morally and physically. That's the center of the Star Wars morality: The Dark Side is selfish (and that is evil), and the Light Side is self less (and that is good).

I definitely LOVE the new direction that the central Star Wars agency is taking with the idea that fully giving into either Side is imbalanced and imperfect, but that only doubles down on how intrinsically wrong the NJO's portrayal of Palpatine was.

The GRIMDARK EDGELORD BIOTECH thing is annoying. The writing is mediocre at best. Lucas' editorial dictates (can't kill Luke Han or Leia, bad guys can't be Force users, Jacen has to go dark side) were the crap cherry on top of the **** sundae. But what ruined it, what made it utterly awful, is that the New Jedi Order undermined the morality of Star Wars entirely by making its biggest villain into an antihero, just trying to make his way through the universe.

Feh.

So much anger...let it flow, embrace the darkness...soon your journey will be complete.

2 minutes ago, Green Knight said:

So much anger...let it flow, embrace the darkness...soon your journey will be complete.

What? What are you doing!? That's how the Vong were created in the first place!

http://cannotgetyourshipout.blogspot.com/2017/05/e-wings-or-john-gets-whiny-about-star.html

E-wing article! Corran flies x-wings, darn it!