Light Scyk / Heavy Scyk Titles...

By FTS Gecko, in X-Wing

...why were these not printed on both sides? Light on one side, Heavy on the other.

Seems like a real missed opportunity to get more of the Heavy Scyk fix out there. Instead of five of one and one of the other, we could have had six of both.

Edited by FTS Gecko

Because you shouldn't be able to switch between matches.

Now I'll certainly agree that it could be nice to have certain cards printed on two sides, like say Imperial Boba on one side and Scum Boba on the other, where it is clear which side MUST be used. The problem is that dual upgrades allow for either side to be used and you aren't going to have a Light Scyk on round and then an Heavy Scyk the next.

As there really is no way currently AFAIK (apart from secondary market) to own more Scyks than Heavy Scyk titles, why would the need to do that ?

3 minutes ago, LordBlades said:

As there really is no way currently AFAIK (apart from secondary market) to own more Scyks than Heavy Scyk titles, why would the need to do that ?

Because the text on the current Heavy Scyk title is out of date. It has been fixed to have +1 Hull. Having the updated rules for the Heavy Scyk title printed on the other side of the Light Scyk card would allow us to have multiple copies of the correct version.

10 minutes ago, StevenO said:

Because you shouldn't be able to switch between matches...

I should clarify - I didn't actually mean "Dual Upgrade Card" as in how it is used, but simply a title card that is printed on both sides to put the Scyk fix in circulation in numbers.

17 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

I should clarify - I didn't actually mean "Dual Upgrade Card" as in how it is used, but simply a title card that is printed on both sides to put the Scyk fix in circulation in numbers.

Oh, I certainly agree that FFG could have used the otherwise unused "backsides" of many cards for a number of things but with the dual upgrade cards, which I completely support although I don't want to see them flapping back and forth during a game, you're going to have to be a lot more careful about how you'd back things. Unless it is something that could be switched over between tournament rounds I don't believe we'll ever see a card with two distinct, and usable, faces on them.

Dual cards while opening up the design space are not without their restrictions. That restriction is flipping the card should have no effect on the list. So dual cards cost the same points on both sides, dual cards does not add or take away upgrade slots, dual cards does not change ship/faction restrictions.

Just because Dual Cards exist that shouldn't eliminate the opportunity to print titles on both sides. They have a different name and the name of the title you are using will be on your squad sheet.

A double sided card is not a dual card. There is a big difference.

27 minutes ago, DodgingArcs said:

Just because Dual Cards exist that shouldn't eliminate the opportunity to print titles on both sides. They have a different name and the name of the title you are using will be on your squad sheet.

A double sided card is not a dual card. There is a big difference.

It still brings up the opportunity for plenty of confusion. What if you "accidently" setup using the wrong side and no one catches it? What if they do but how much later?

10 hours ago, StevenO said:

It still brings up the opportunity for plenty of confusion. What if you "accidently" setup using the wrong side and no one catches it? What if they do but how much later?

Not really. In this instance it would be perfectly clear by the list the player has chosen. The Heavy Scyk title is 2 points, and opens up a secondary weapon slot. The Light Scyk title is -2 points and opens up the dial. It should be perfectly obvious what title the player is using when you look at their list - if the Scyk has an Ion Cannon equipped, for example, there's absolutely no way they're using the Light Scyk title.

Honestly, having cards in circulation with out-of-date rules is more confusing having cards with rules printed on both sides.

Boba Fett crew? What happens if Boba Fett is used to discard a dual sided card?

6 hours ago, gamblertuba said:

Boba Fett crew? What happens if Boba Fett is used to discard a dual sided card?

You lose the card as usual. With the current dual sided cards you're only using one side of the card so there would be no additional affect.

15 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Not really. In this instance it would be perfectly clear by the list the player has chosen. The Heavy Scyk title is 2 points, and opens up a secondary weapon slot. The Light Scyk title is -2 points and opens up the dial. It should be perfectly obvious what title the player is using when you look at their list - if the Scyk has an Ion Cannon equipped, for example, there's absolutely no way they're using the Light Scyk title.

Honestly, having cards in circulation with out-of-date rules is more confusing having cards with rules printed on both sides.

And if I were using the Hvy title for the added hull but saw a matchup where the lower cost would help more? It's true that the Hvy will probably be toting a cannon of some sort but that isn't always the case and mistakes do happen.

14 hours ago, gamblertuba said:

Boba Fett crew? What happens if Boba Fett is used to discard a dual sided card?

The card's effects are removed from play. Last I remember seeing the tournament rules have you hiding the discard dual sided card beneath the pilot card.

I just wish they actually printed reprints with errata'd cards.

The new core set would've been a great opportunity to update the card rules so a Versioning number not only took place and thus took precedence over older cards of the same name, but explicitly made all older card texts count as the new one. This way the upgrade cards would be 'infectious', and even people who didn't read the FAQ would get the balance updates and wording patches.

Wouldn't it be nice, eh?