## vote Ard

Dont get me wrong, Gink is suspicious but mostly because he is pointing out Ardaedhals suspicious activity. My vote is for Ard cause it is pretty weird to start asking who is the one person the rebels really want to kill.

But then it seems too obvious, but then again that could be the best place to hide? My vote stays there unless Ard can come through with an explanation.

Unless of couse Ard and Gink are BOTH rebels and this is their attempt to sacrifice ard so we trust gink and dont daykill him while he polishes the rest of us off.

55 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Hmmm

I thought that Ard and Gink was pretending some kind of discussion while they were secretly friends.

But Gink is really persistent about making people think, despite his own random choices.

I can imagine a rebel pretending a lot of talk, but they never would look for rational discussion. At the end, they won't give a **** about who we kill during the day while it was not one of them. And right now, statistics play for them.

So, I will trust Gink for now.

About the others... not too much to say. Gink made a point about Ardaedhel asking for roles.

Ardaedhel could you repeat your question with marginal notes? Just to know if you were:

-Suspiciously interested-

Or

-Naively curious-

Yep. Probably going to come out looking -suspiciously interested-, because I'm bad at this game...

If there are those among us with the ability to reveal roles, it behooves us as a community to establish that now so we don't day kill our important members--but only if there's also someone among us who can save the ones he loves... from dying...

On the other hand, if there is no doctor, it is in everyone's interest to keep completely silent for the entire first round and just play the odds, until the inquisitors or whatever have had a chance to do some inquisition the first night.

Because the doctor is a pretty critical role to have in these games a functionality perspective, I'm going on the assumption that there is one among us. The sooner he figures out who the critical roles are, the sooner he can protect them. However, assuming he exists, it's also crucial that said doctor not have to reveal himself, otherwise he's forced to spend turns protecting himself rather than the inquisitors. So someone has to stoke the fire to find out some roles.

IMO.

On the Ard/Ginkapo kerfluffle, I'm ambivalent at the moment.

On the one hand, revealing our critical roles seems to me to be a rather large mistake. It points out to the Rebels exactly where they need to hit, and there's no guarantee that we have a protection role. Though, if we have a scanner, we probably have a protection. Probably. I'm not willing to bet on it, though. I don't know how Biggs likes to run his games yet - does he go for unorthodox role combinations, does he deliberately try to mess with anybody trying to predict things, or is everything strictly following an orthodox ruleset? I don't know yet, and I doubt we will until the game has gone on for quite some time.

On the other hand, Follow The Cop is a time-tested strategy (even if I'm not a personal fan of it). And the danger of daykilling our scanner is non-negligible. But revealing right now isn't the best way to avoid that, I think. Another thing to consider is this: if our roles reveal, and we do have both a doctor and a Cop, then what next? The doctor protects the Cop and the Cop scans, and the Rebels know exactly that none of their kills will ever be blocked. All they have to do is kill people other than the Cop (possibly even the people the Cop clears). Eventually, they'll hit the doctor and then the Cop goes down next.

Can we win in that scenario? Yes, of course. But it's a race against time, and it's mostly the luck of the draw. I'd rather not play those type of I know you know games.

That's a lot of words to say this:

I disagree with Ard's proposition. Do I think that makes him suspicious? Possibly. It could be a different game culture showing itself - if that's how he's always played before, then why would he expect here to be different. On the other hand, I'm certainly going to keep an eye on him in future cycles.

And now for the main attraction. It's still early, so I'm going to focus my vote attention on the players who haven't shown up yet. Sometimes a bit of pressure can jostle a lurker into activity. And that's only ever good for the game state.

##Unvote NobodyInParticular

##Vote Tirion

@Tirion , you haven't spoken up yet. Care to tell us what you think?

@Onidsen

Can you define the term "scanner" please.

6 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

@Onidsen

Can you define the term "scanner" please.

Generic term for a role that scans other players to learn their roles. Sometimes called a Cop.

I'm not particularly suspicious of @Ginkapo , despite his unwarranted early sadly against me. I think it's the accent: he's clearly a loyal subject of the Emperor with that accent.

On the other hand, we do have an awfully quite NINJA in our midst. What do you have to say for yourself, sir?

@CaribbeanNinja

Vote Total - 6 to hammer

@NobodyInParticular - Onidsen

@Madaghmire - Ginkapo

@DabDarklighter (1) - Ginkapo

@Ardaedhel (1) - Brobafett

@Tirion (1) - Onidsen

*quiet

Man, no edits is killing me...

11 players

We have no basis or not too much for killing someone.

In the worst case we have 3/11 of killing a rebel. And they have a 3 votes pressure. Of course they could sacrifice one of them as a cover but not needed at this point I think.

Not killing people is not familiar to me, you know. The fun thing is to kill people but to wait this day is not a bad thing. Are we really going to hunt a rebel today? Or are we going to make their job? Of course it has only sense if the "scanner-stuff" really exists.

What I didn't understand yet is: are there roles? Do we know what are they? Or is this hide info?

Caribean is imperial or at least No-rebel Scum. Do you see the avatar?

Madaghmire flies A-wings... suspicious.

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

11 players

We have no basis or not too much for killing someone.

In the worst case we have 3/11 of killing a rebel. And they have a 3 votes pressure. Of course they could sacrifice one of them as a cover but not needed at this point I think.

Not killing people is not familiar to me, you know. The fun thing is to kill people but to wait this day is not a bad thing. Are we really going to hunt a rebel today? Or are we going to make their job? Of course it has only sense if the "scanner-stuff" really exists.

What I didn't understand yet is: are there roles? Do we know what are they? Or is this hide info?

Why do you say 3/11?

Just now, Ardaedhel said:

I'm not particularly suspicious of @Ginkapo , despite his unwarranted early sadly against me. I think it's the accent: he's clearly a loyal subject of the Emperor with that accent.

On the other hand, we do have an awfully quite NINJA in our midst. What do you have to say for yourself, sir?

@CaribbeanNinja

Caribbean Ninja's are nothing BUT quiet. I am Cuban after all. However I have no idea about this game yet. However, as I pointed out, I think the rebels would do most of the talking at the beginning.

My gut is seriously eying Mads, Gink, and Ard. a lot of talkie talkie there.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

My gut is seriously eying Mads, Gink, and Ard. a lot of talkie talkie there.

Are you even reading the thread? Mad as talkative? Or do you not care because you just want to kill someone at night?

16 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Imo we should shoot onidsen. He said hes done this before and so if hes a rebel hes a major threat and if hes an imperial i can get a promotion maybe. Battlefield commision son!

This is all he had to say. He also went back and edited it...

On 2017-5-17 at 4:28 PM, BiggsIRL said:

Well first you want to sign up. We will be taking 11 players, with 2-3 "Rebel Scum" trying to control the outpost and 8-9 "Loyal Imperials" hunting them down.

Director Isaard, ehem, BiggsIRL said that.

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Not killing people is not familiar to me, you know. The fun thing is to kill people but to wait this day is not a bad thing. Are we really going to hunt a rebel today? Or are we going to make their job? Of course it has only sense if the "scanner-stuff" really exists.

Pretty subversive stance there, sir. Taking NO ACTION when we know there are rebel sympathizers in our midst??

Here's the thing: someone is going to die every night. There is a 1/1 chance that tonight, someone will die (theoretical inquisitor/medic/Sith roles aside). Our only recourse is to try and kill them during the day, of which we have a [2 or 3]/11 chance. Each time we don't attempt to catch one of these traitors, they have another round of 1/1 chance to kill a loyal subject.

I'm inclined to put the overly murderous--as long as it's not rebels--cantina owner on trial here.

##Vote @ovinomancer

Freaking leetspeak...

##Vote @ovinomanc3r

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

This is all he had to say. He also went back and edited it...

So why is Mads highlighted on your list of suspicions alongside Ard and myself? What is the logic?

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Director Isaard, ehem, BiggsIRL said that.

He also said, " Fortunately some of you may be better than the average trooper, and have your own strengths that come into play at nightfall.". But you clearly didnt read that, so what gives?

2 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Pretty subversive stance there, sir. Taking NO ACTION when we know there are rebel sympathizers in our midst??

Here's the thing: someone is going to die every night. There is a 1/1 chance that tonight, someone will die (theoretical inquisitor/medic/Sith roles aside). Our only recourse is to try and kill them during the day, of which we have a [2 or 3]/11 chance. Each time we don't attempt to catch one of these traitors, they have another round of 1/1 chance to kill a loyal subject.

I'm inclined to put the overly murderous--as long as it's not rebels--cantina owner on trial here.

##Vote @ovinomancer

Hahaha I also say that wait only had some sense is there is someone that could discover the others.

Actually I think voting is better. I just see that there is a point no voting.

I never played Mafia before. I played a similar game but we always start at night so this "day" is being a bit weird for me.

4 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

This is all he had to say. He also went back and edited it...

Yeah but I didnt do much. I think I fixed a spelling error.

And also I have said two things. Now three things.

3 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

He also said, " Fortunately some of you may be better than the average trooper, and have your own strengths that come into play at nightfall.". But you clearly didnt read that, so what gives?

Actually I had to look the number of rebels before putting the chances.

The other part was confusing for me as someone post the we don't know if there are roles.

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Hahaha I also say that wait only had some sense is there is someone that could discover the others.

Actually I think voting is better. I just see that there is a point no voting.

I never played Mafia before. I played a similar game but we always start at night so this "day" is being a bit weird for me.

What? A 12 hour jet-lag? Where have you been? I find it suspicious that you are on a different internal clock than the rest of us. . . almost like you were up at night!

16 hours ago, Onidsen said:

We have no idea if we have any scanning roles.

I misread. My fault.

5 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said:

What? A 12 hour jet-lag? Where have you been? I find it suspicious that you are on a different internal clock than the rest of us. . . almost like you were up at night!

Actually it probably will happen. My real day has four hour left.