I searched but didn't see anything on this. Seems like a decent idea to put LWF on a Phantom and just forget that it cloaks. It would make it a 4 dice striker pretty much albiet more expensive. Think it'd be worth doing?

Triple Sigs With FCS, LWF, and Hotshot? Could be fun to fly at least

I've seen this on vassal a couple of times and it really isn't bad. Something I would like to see a top tier player explore at least a little.

You probably need to compare it with other options available for this ship.
For the same cost you can put on it SPA and have a guarantied evade, opposite to roll an extra die.

There is nothing wrong with trying it in a game for sure, but if you find yourself using the cloak action 2-3 times during the game, it might be better to use SPA instead.

I wouldnt call myself a top tier player, but having run LWF/Recon spec triple sigmas I'm not happy with the damage that slips through. I get solid wins, but one bad roll early and I'm fighting to stay in the game.

I'd almost prefer quad sigmas for the extra health.

I was liking the idea of using shadow squadron for this with fcs. You could also do sigma's and have enough to put a cheap blocker in there.

Actually 3 sigmas and a single imperial trainee could all have lwf.

LWF is okay but the Cloaking modifications are better overall. However since Cloaking no longer has its post planning arc-dodging capabilities it is not so easy to use. LWF is okay for those who are rather newer or not as skilled of making use of the cloaking mechanic but that does leave it with a performance cap. SPA and ACD does way better in terms of defense when used properly.

I flew 2 FCS LWF Intel Agent Sigmas with 2 PS3 Strikers before. Strikers as blockers where the sigmas move in to flank position.

It's a very fun list that rewards little for the given risk. Just fly them like a supercharged interceptors and it'll do its job.

Tried it. Might be a decent list if I could fly it worth a ****...but even with LWF, Phantoms still struggle thanks to all the bombs out there.

I may have to try this, I loved flying my phantom in with the ace's...

perhaps it's time to dust them off and put them back on the table

The choice between SPA and LWF comes down to playstyle imo. LWF is probably the better choice if you intend primarily to joust. However, I believe the sigma is at its best when playing the blocking game, where SPA in my view holds the greater value (as you will constantly be cloaking and decloaking to get them blocks).

Oh snap forgot about this little gem. Need to give that a bash.

Phantom with LWF, may as well be a delta x 7. 1 more point, way more health, white k and small loss in offense.

27 minutes ago, Ravncat said:

Phantom with LWF, may as well be a delta x 7. 1 more point, way more health, white k and small loss in offense.

I've always felt that a Stygium Sigma was the original X7. Focus evade every other turn with lots of repositioning/blocking potential to boot.

I think a Stygium phantom is what you want if you are only getting shot by one ship a turn. They can shrug off most 3 dice attacks reasonably well. They suffer hard when focused fired to delete their token stack though. If you plan on being in the thick of it, LWF. If you want to pick at the fringes and block, Stygium.

41 minutes ago, Ravncat said:

Phantom with LWF, may as well be a delta x 7. 1 more point, way more health, white k and small loss in offense.

Well yeah, cause what difference do 4 red dice make compared to 3 right?

The problem with SPA is that cloak is an action. The good part is that you decloak, gain unpredicability, get the free evade from SPA, take a focus as an action, and can shoot with ok defence. But the bad part is that in the next round you are uncloaked, and need to take a cloak action to rinse and repeat.

I would love a new TIE phantom title, that allows you to perform a free cloak action in the end-phase. That would help all the TIE phantom pilots, but mostly the generics, and perhaps SPA will se more table time.

I've been trying to make Sigmas with LWF work, with General Hux giving out focus tokens. Even with focus, evade and three dice, they just seem to die shockingly fast for me.

I agree with one of the above comments that Sigmas simply operate best as knife fighting blockers. Take shots when the opportunity presents itself. I'm not convinced that they can consistently operate as jousters with LWF.

6 hours ago, Sciencius said:

The problem with SPA is that cloak is an action. The good part is that you decloak, gain unpredicability, get the free evade from SPA, take a focus as an action, and can shoot with ok defence. But the bad part is that in the next round you are uncloaked, and need to take a cloak action to rinse and repeat.

I would love a new TIE phantom title, that allows you to perform a free cloak action in the end-phase. That would help all the TIE phantom pilots, but mostly the generics, and perhaps SPA will se more table time.

Sounds like that should cost 4 and be a modification instead

1 hour ago, Nyxen said:

Sounds like that should cost 4 and be a modification instead

It should trigger immediately after you attack though.

What keeps the generic phantoms from seeing a lot of play is it's just too easy to melt something in 1-2 shots now.

Take Rey, for example, with Finn and Expertise, range 1 she's probably getting 5 hits/crits and all it takes is one bad evade roll and the Phantom is done for.

If PS wasn't a thing I think phantoms would see more play, if instead you shot based on initiative or a turn based thing.

That and turrets.

Even so, Whisper flown correctly can still dominate, and I've been toying with the idea of a cheap LWF generic with sensor jammer to help survivability.

Hmmmm. . . .

Shadow Squadron Pilot (35)
TIE Phantom (27), Mercenary Copilot (2), Sensor Jammer (4), Lightweight Frame (2)

Whisper with lwf, rage, inspiring recruits is kinda fun.

10 minutes ago, nigeltastic said:

Whisper with lwf, rage, inspiring recruits is kinda fun.

I get it, I like it. Only problem is phantoms have suck greens.

I actually find a good bit of use for the stygium particle accelerator on low ps phantoms. With the extra evade at the first round of combat generally ensured, they can dish out a lot of hits and take some incoming fire., setting the tone for the rest of the game. Heck, I've tried rushing in and out with cloaking in a hit and run style with great success. The free evade on the way out makes a round where you aren't shooting much more acceptable.

9 hours ago, nigeltastic said:

Whisper with lwf, rage, inspiring recruits is kinda fun.

If you want an alternative Whisper build...

Lone Wolf
Sensor Jammer
Recon Specialist
Advanced Cloaking Device

Struggles against aces, but my god she is IMMORTAL once cloaked!