The first list has EU on Dash and TLT on Miranda. Second List loses EU and TLT in favor of MOAR BOMZ!

Which would you fly and why?

Miranda Dash 1:

Dash and Miranda 1 (100)

Dash Rendar (58) - YT-2400
Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Kanan Jarrus (3), Outrider (5), Engine Upgrade (4)

Miranda Doni (42) - K-Wing
Twin Laser Turret (6), Concussion Missiles (4), C-3PO (3), Guidance Chips (0)

Miranda Dash 2

Dash and Miranda 2 (100)

Dash Rendar (54) - YT-2400
Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Kanan Jarrus (3), Outrider (5)

Miranda Doni (46) - K-Wing
Extra Munitions (2), Homing Missiles (5), Sabine Wren (2), Cluster Mines (4), Ion Bombs (2), Advanced SLAM (2)

1 hour ago, BlodVargarna said:

The first list has EU on Dash and TLT on Miranda. Second List loses EU and TLT in favor of MOAR BOMZ!

Which would you fly and why?

Miranda Dash 1:

Dash and Miranda 1 (100)

Dash Rendar (58) - YT-2400
Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Kanan Jarrus (3), Outrider (5), Engine Upgrade (4)

Miranda Doni (42) - K-Wing
Twin Laser Turret (6), Concussion Missiles (4), C-3PO (3), Guidance Chips (0)

Miranda Dash 2

Dash and Miranda 2 (100)

Dash Rendar (54) - YT-2400
Push The Limit (3), Heavy Laser Cannon (7), Kanan Jarrus (3), Outrider (5)

Miranda Doni (46) - K-Wing
Extra Munitions (2), Homing Missiles (5), Sabine Wren (2), Cluster Mines (4), Ion Bombs (2), Advanced SLAM (2)

I'm sure you know about the traditional Dashing Miranda builds and are trying something outside of that, but I don't think either one is an improvement over traditional builds. Maybe #1?

What is the traditional build?

20 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I'm sure you know about the traditional Dashing Miranda builds and are trying something outside of that, but I don't think either one is an improvement over traditional builds. Maybe #1?

I'm not familiar. What are they?

@BlodVargarna - This is what I fly, which I think is fairly traditional. It doesn't give you the crazy re-positioning that PtL/Kanan Dash can do, but you don't really need it. Slow roll with Dash to save up some focus tokens on Rey, try to keep him away from Miranda, at range 3 of enemy ships to keep pounding in those HLC shots and you have Burnout SLAM if you find yourself in a pickle. Miranda does Miranda stuff. I've yet to lose with it, but don't fly it a bunch because I find it kind of boring.

Dash Rendar (36)
Lone Wolf (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
Rey (2)
Burnout SLAM (1)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
Outrider (5)

Miranda Doni (29)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Extra Munitions (2)
Sabine Wren (2)
Ion Bombs (2)
Cluster Mines (4)
Advanced SLAM (2)

Total: 100

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@gennataos that looks like the New Dash build, but that is my favorite version too (although I prefer to add Countermeasures if the points are available). Lone Wolf + Rey is a lot tougher and higher output, if a bit less dodgy, than Push the Limit + Kanan .

I would consider PTL & Kanan to be the traditional choice since that was pretty much the only version in the meta until Rey came out last year. "classic" Dash being the still older version with Kyle Katarn crew instead.

Anyways, back to the original question which of those two lists? I would pick the first one for a couple reasons. First: Engine Upgrade , the point of PTL Dash is that he's really hard to pin down and you lose a lot of mobility in giving up that large base boost. Second: bombs (this one is entirely personal preference) I'm not great with bombs so I don't even use them with Sabine, but that's just me I stick to what I'm good at for competition.

Here's an alternative version for your second list if you really want to run bombs:

(47) K-Wing: •Miranda Doni (29)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Cluster Mines (4)
Ion Bombs (2)
•Sabine Wren (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Twin Laser Turret (6)

(53) YT-2400 Freighter: •Dash Rendar (36)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
•Outrider (5)
•Lone Wolf (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
•Rey (2)
Burnout Slam (1)

Total: 100/100

If you have an Ace heavy meta you might consider switching LW to VI and keep the bid that gets you so you have a better chance at keeping out of range 1 of PS9s.

Big Dash fan here. I played a Standard rainbow Dash with a Doni light at mini tourney the other day, went 2-2 after not playing for months (and setting a bank instead of a turn 3rd move of the day flying dash off the board eek)

Anyway, I've been playing around with it. I too don't think I'd be that great with bombs at this stage. In my comfort zone I'm thinking of trying this, by dropping Engine Upgrade (to Burnout Slam), to get Extra Munitions on Doni. What to do with the other point? Comments?

Your second Miranda build is self contradictory IMO.

Miranda and TLT are such synergy with her pilot ability they shouldbe stabled together.

If you are dropping bombs, her pilot ability makes no diff and her PS only slightly. So why more and just take a Warden?

If you shoot ordnance, you paid a lot of points for one (two) shot upgrades, and dont want to roll less dice and regen but burn shields and roll more dice. This advocates keeping her cheap as she burns fast; so no bombs.

Ordnance is directed forward, bombs backwards. They want, from a positional standpoint, the opposite and work against eachother.

In general, I think most people oversee the fact that the cheapest pilot option drops bombs just as well as the most expensive, unless they have a bomb related pilot ability.

And most people overthink Dash; the thing with Dash is, you dont need to think, you dont even need to point. All he need is Outrider and a gun, everything else is variations to personal taste (actually, I might put Sabine on Dash, for surprise and R1 option, remember that the +1 damage works on everyones bombs).

14 hours ago, nitrobenz said:

@gennataos that looks like the New Dash build, but that is my favorite version too (although I prefer to add Countermeasures if the points are available). Lone Wolf + Rey is a lot tougher and higher output, if a bit less dodgy, than Push the Limit + Kanan .

I would consider PTL & Kanan to be the traditional choice since that was pretty much the only version in the meta until Rey came out last year. "classic" Dash being the still older version with Kyle Katarn crew instead.

Anyways, back to the original question which of those two lists? I would pick the first one for a couple reasons. First: Engine Upgrade , the point of PTL Dash is that he's really hard to pin down and you lose a lot of mobility in giving up that large base boost. Second: bombs (this one is entirely personal preference) I'm not great with bombs so I don't even use them with Sabine, but that's just me I stick to what I'm good at for competition.

Here's an alternative version for your second list if you really want to run bombs:

(47) K-Wing: •Miranda Doni (29)
Advanced SLAM (2)
Cluster Mines (4)
Ion Bombs (2)
•Sabine Wren (2)
Extra Munitions (2)
Twin Laser Turret (6)

(53) YT-2400 Freighter: •Dash Rendar (36)
Smuggling Compartment (0)
•Outrider (5)
•Lone Wolf (2)
Heavy Laser Cannon (7)
•Rey (2)
Burnout Slam (1)

Total: 100/100

If you have an Ace heavy meta you might consider switching LW to VI and keep the bid that gets you so you have a better chance at keeping out of range 1 of PS9s.

@nitrobenz - Yeah, when I said the traditional Dash build, I meant what's currently popular in the meta, the Dashing Miranda list . We ended up posting the same list!

It's a good list, a really good list, just kinda "meh" to fly.

Oh hey! I guess I should have taken a second look and just said to check out your list @gennataos

Personally I'd still take Homing Missile over bombs though.

40 minutes ago, nitrobenz said:

Oh hey! I guess I should have taken a second look and just said to check out your list @gennataos

Personally I'd still take Homing Missile over bombs though.

I've always found it hard to get Miranda around for the second Homing Missile shot.